Future historians will most certainly describe Pakistan’s craven surrender to the Taliban pigs in the Swat region as a Himalayan blunder.
Emboldened by the surrender of Swat Valley, the Taliban has already ushered in Sharia (Islamic law) in parts of Swat and taken over the neighboring Buner district as well.
How far from Buner to Pakistan’s capital Islamabad – only 60 miles.
Now, these Taliban Suvar (pigs) have grown so audacious as to demand Sharia law in America. No, we’re not kidding.
Here’s an excerpt from the CNN story:
Khan said if his vision of an Islamic society is fulfilled in Pakistan, terror mastermind Osama Bin Laden will be welcome to travel and live openly here. “Sure, he’s a Muslim, he can go anywhere,” Khan said.
Khan added that he would like to see sharia law implemented beyond Pakistan, even in America, a country he knows intimately. For four years, the Taliban spokesman lived in the United States, working as a painter near Boston, Massachusetts.
Now before all you Indian idiots start your chant that all Pakistanis are in bed with the Taliban, let’s make it clear that just is not true.
There’s a large silent majority in Pakistan that is unhappy about the Taliban’s inroads. Read this editorial in the Pakistan newspaper Dawn:
Striking ‘deals’ with an enemy that is simply buying time won’t help either. Talibanisation is not just a threat, it is the reality today. Face it.
Sufi Mohammad’s organisation, which is sympathetic to the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan, is interested less in matters of faith and more so in power in Pakistan. It is now clear that the Taliban will not stop until they have their way. And this is their prescription for Pakistan: a nation, armed with nuclear weapons, jerked back to a mediaeval age. A country where men without beards are flogged, and women killed if they choose to express themselves. That is where we are headed. And one is wrong if one thinks this can’t happen in Pakistan. It can and it will unless we strike a decisive blow for the silent majority.
We must resist this onslaught.
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Ooh….Taliban with nukes…thats unnerving…one thing is for sure….they won’t hesitate in starting a full scale nuke war…..
SearchIndia.com Responds:
The thought of those Taliban whackos getting their hands on the nukes should drive a chill up anyone’s spine.
We read somewhere that the Taliban has banned music (which basically means ur Bollywood songs and dances).
they have banned music, dance, any source of entertainment like television or cinema theatres, enforced ‘pardah’ system on women….the list is endless….basically they live by the rules which were meant for the 10th century A.D. Arabia….
SearchIndia.com Responds:
Another horrible practice – not allowing girls to go to school.
And in India, we think the Ram Bhaktas are nuts.
Compared to the 10th century Taliban whackos, the Ram Bhaktas nuts are living in the 20th century.
SI :Now before all you Indian idiots start your chant that all Pakistanis are in bed with the Taliban, let’s make it clear that just is not true.
There’s a large silent majority in Pakistan that is unhappy about the Taliban’s inroads.
What happens when one indulges in false propaganda for a long time is that ….he ends up believing that ….
Taliban was only in Afghanistan ….Pakistan is safe?? …then they said it was only in the border regions ?? …then it was only few areas of SWAT and not the entire SWAT?? ….then it was Peshawar ….now its close to islamabad ?? ….Yet the same nonsense …..
you dont have to look at or hear what Indians or Hindus say ….but look at what all these Taliban’s and other Islamic groups say …thier stated goals ….thier source of funds and popular support amongst the people …..
There is no city in Pakistan where you dont find Madrassas ….these are the breeding grounds …..they are there everywhere ….. Time and again it has been proved that Madrassa’s and Mosques are recruitment centres ??? …What do they teach there – “ISlam the religion of Peace” ….What do the loudspeakers of these mosque keep blaring about ?? ….What is the hate material distributed and well read in these places ??
Yet the same nonsense
Now who studies in these madrassa’s – Common Man of Pakistan ??
How do few militants control city after city in Pakistan ? …considering that the Pakistani Army is very strong and can crush them ..that’s not possible without popular support ….
Where do these people get new recruits from ….from America ? from SI or from the common people of Pakistan ?
“Silent Majority ” is actually a minority in Pakistan….its a myth …
Najam Sethi of Dawn may not be able to print his newspaper ….after some months …lets see if the silent majority comes to his rescue …..he will come to India
SearchIndia.com Responds:
Vast sections of people in the world are usually preoccupied with day-to-day issues of survival and don’t give a flying f**k about politics, Ram, Allah or Jesus.
In non-democratic countries like Pakistan, it’s a vocal minority that usually engages in politics, creates all the noise and ultimately storms the citadels of power.
Sure, the Taliban may occupy Islamabad one day. Who knows? If a nut like Hitler could win over the more educated Germans, it’s not hard to visualize the Talibans getting the illiterate and semi-literate Pakistanis on their side in other parts of the country too.
Biggest mistake was abandoning Swat to the Taliban. This Mr.’Benazir Bhutto’ a.k.a Zardari is a pu**Y, a pathetic weakling.
Unfortunately, the Pakistani Army and ISI harbor elements sympathetic to the Talibans and the local police are hopelessly ill-equipped and thoroughly demoralized.
All in all, dangerous times ahead.
I fear that America and India have to support Pakistan in wiping out Taliban.
A Pakistani ISI agency is ten times less a threat considered to Taliban. I thought General Pervez Musharaff getting ousted from Pakistan would enable it to grow, how terribly wrong I was. I guess a sensible military dictator ruling Pakistan is better than some weird, uncivilized, barbaric, group who torture people, kill women and children, impose archaic laws.
Mr.Obama and Mr.Manmohan Singh, if you people are going to stay cool thinking that Pakistan is the one to suffer, then you are terribly wrong. Once the treacherous Taliban gets its hand on the Pak Nukeheads, the first place to be hit would be India and then America. So please do something about this.
Don’t be like the Emperor Niro who was playing the fiddle when Rome was burning. Act now or there might be no tomorrow.
SearchIndia.com Responds:
True. Maybe, the Pakistani soil is just not fertile enough for democracy yet.
However, we must also not forget that Madrasas or the poison schools of hatred started flourishing under military rulers like Zia Ul-Haq and Musharraf.
In our view, the best course of action would be for Pakistan and Bangladesh to join India as semi-autonomous provinces. But that ain’t gonna happen in our life time. Or will it? Stranger things have happened in the world.
Who ever thought the Wall (the Berlin Wall, that is) would fall or that China and the former Soviet Union would turn into unabashed capitalist havens or that millions of Americans would stare at financial ruin and devastation.
Don’t know about Bangladesh….but Pakistan an Indian province???
Even if that were to happen, it will only bring about the downfall of the entire country….India simply cannot handle a province whose people were brought up with the idea that India is their mortal enemy……do you know that even their history books have twisted facts (stuff like how various Hindu leaders of congress thought of turning Muslims into slaves post-independence, due to which Jinnah demanded a separate state)
SearchIndia.com Responds:
1. You write: do you know that even their history books have twisted facts
According to reports coming out of India, even Indians are not above rewriting history.
2. You write: India simply cannot handle a province whose people were brought up with the idea that India is their mortal enemy……
Today, the erstwhile East Germans and West Germans live as Germans in one country Germany although for nearly 45 years they lived as mortal enemies (to borrow your expression). East Germans trying to jump the wall were shot to death just two decades ago.
Sure, there will be some tension initially with the Ram Bhaktas and the Jihadis. But with some maturity on both sides (not a quality Indians or Pakistanis are known for) we can overcome that.
After all, the Pakistanis and Bangladeshis were our own people until 1947. We have more in common with Pakistanis and Bangladeshis than with 99% of the countries in the U.N. Maybe, the quality of our Lamb Biryani and Kebabs will improve too once Pakistan becomes part of India. 😉
Well Well the editors of the Dawn represent only the silent minority of Pakistan-definitely not the majority. The majority doesn’t love Taliban, but at the same time will not ever realise that Taliban is more dangerous than India. Their behavior is like an ostrich-bury your head into the sand when the storm is approaching and act as though nothing has happened. The majority reads the Nationalist media and you cannot believe what they say-that India supports taliban to destabilize Pakistan. The whole nation believe people like Zaid Hamid and calls him a patriot.
Zaid Hamid,a self styled Defense analyst dishes out some garbage every week in a news channel. He says that BJP killed all those people in the Mumbai attacks and that of course there were no terrorists from Pakistan. Innocent people read all these rubbish because they doesn’t want to hear the reality. According to them everything is a conspiracy around them. Pakistanis don’t investigate anything properly,that’s what made these people call everything a conspiracy by India and Israel.
India is no saint. Kashmir rightly belongs to Pakistan and India has occupied it. This is a truth that many of us Indians refuse to accept . Mistakes were done in 1947 and anything to repair those mistake will only result in a massive bloodshed. So the onus is now on Pakistan to turn away from India and to concentrate only on weeding out Taliban and if successful,we can talk about Kashmir later.
SearchIndia.com Responds:
Interesting comment.
no, pakistani biryani is horrible.
SI – Compared to the 10th century Taliban whackos, the Ram Bhaktas nuts are living in the 20th century.
appa neenga yaarunga sir? christian [trash talk]?
SearchIndia.com Responds:
Write in English, schmuck.
SI:Vast sections of people in the world are usually preoccupied with day-to-day issues of survival and don’t give a flying f**k about politics, Ram, Allah or Jesus.
When vast sections of people are told that all their problems will be solved by Allah ….if Sharia is established ….for which they need to do a Jihad and if they die ..sorry martyred ….they will land up in paradise ….then we have a situation as in Pakistan….its a myth that they dont care about Religion …..
SI: In non-democratic countries like Pakistan, it’s a vocal minority that usually engages in politics, creates all the noise and ultimately storms the citadels of power.
Is it silent Majority OR Vocal Minority ???
either way they have not been able to ensure democracy in Pakistan ….have they ….does that tell you – as to how much effective their noise is??? and whether they have been able to storm the citadels of Power ?? ….These people are branded as “christians”…”Hindus” …Infidels ….RAW Agents ….CIA Agents ….Anti Islam ….Traitors etc etc …..and then you hear a deafening silence …..they all then leave the country and go somewhere as refugees ….
SearchIndia.com Responds:
1. You write: its a myth that they dont care about Religion …..
Sure, the people in Pakistan care about religion more than people in India. But the question is, do the Pakistanis love the Taliban and their brand of strict Islam as much as they love the generic less restrictive version of Islam?
2. You write above: Is it silent Majority OR Vocal Minority ???
Politics is usually the stage for the play of a vocal minority. The silent majority are usually passive bystanders, at best registering their presence at the voting booth once every five years (or longer in a country like Pakistan with its tradition of military dictatorship).
LIve_AS_yOU_LIkE : India is no saint. Kashmir rightly belongs to Pakistan and India has occupied it. This is a truth that many of us Indians refuse to accept . Mistakes were done in 1947 and anything to repair those mistake will only result in a massive bloodshed. So the onus is now on Pakistan to turn away from India and to concentrate only on weeding out Taliban and if successful,we can talk about Kashmir later.
Pls get your facts right …..Kashmir was independant ….India did not attack it ….Pakistan did ….Maharaja signed a treaty of accession ….Pakistan has no right whatsoever …..
More than 50% of Pakistan consists of Baluchistan ….which was forcibly annexed by Pakistan against thier will …Baluchistan just like KAshmir chose the option of being independant …..
Hindus consitituted 11 % of the population in PAkistan ….today its down to 2 % ….where are they ??? …..
Genocide was committed by Pakistan against Bangladeshis
there is nothing to talk with such people ….India is a saint ….it has every right to protect its interests….
SearchIndia.com Responds:
You write above: Pls get your facts right …..Pakistan has no right whatsoever …..
Although the above comment is directed toward LIve_AS_yOU_LIkE, we’ll make a brief point:
What about the original promise of holding a plebiscite to ascertain the views of Kashmiris? If India were to hold a plebiscite in Kashmir today (no way it would hold it), we doubt India would win given the years of election rigging and atrocities by the military and other para-military forces (perhaps the atrocities were inevitable given the Pakistan-backed insurgency and inability of Indian military to distinguish friend from foe).
SI : Sure, the people in Pakistan care about religion more than people in India. But the question is, do the Pakistanis love the Taliban and their brand of strict Islam as much as they love the generic less restrictive version of Islam?
What is the difference ??? – its same as the difference between Good Taliban and Bad Taliban ….there is nothing like moderate Islam ….there is always a call for more ..more …once you allow Sharia ….
People Love Islam and hate others ….the more they love Islam ….more the hatred for others ….either way things only get worse …..
SearchIndia.com Responds:
1. You write above: What is the difference ??? – its same as the difference between Good Taliban and Bad Taliban ….there is nothing like moderate Islam
There is a difference between the orthodox interpretation of Islam by the Taliban and other relatively more liberal Muslims, even in Pakistan. This difference may be lesser, of course, in a nation like Afghanistan.
We doubt that most of Pakistani Muslims consider themselves as Taliban (even if it be of the ‘good’ variety).
2. Allowing Sharia in Swat was a disastrous mistake.
Now, the devils want more. Swat yesterday. Buner today and more districts tomorrow.
SI:Although the above comment is directed toward LIve_AS_yOU_LIkE, we’ll make a brief point:
What about the original promise of holding a plebiscite to ascertain the views of Kashmiris? If India were to hold a plebiscite in Kashmir today (no way it would hold it), we doubt India would win given the years of election rigging and atrocities by the military and other para-military forces (perhaps the atrocities were inevitable given the Pakistan-backed insurgency and inability of Indian military to distinguish friend from foe).
I have already answered this in a different context …giving all links about the events ….the preconditions for Plebiscite ….Pakistan has to withdraw from POK and the part which it has gifted to China ???
Even Baluchistan does not want to be with Pakistan
SearchIndia.com Responds:
You write above: Even Baluchistan does not want to be with Pakistan
Well, at different times Mizoram, Nagaland, Tamil Nadu and Jammu and Kashmir did not want to be part of India.
India even engaged in aerial bombing of parts of Mizoram in the early 1960s.
How many nations in the world have engaged in aerial bombing of their own people? Very few.
SRINIVAS: Let this be straight. Hyderabad(Andhra pradesh Now) is a Hindu Majority Kingdom ruled by a Muslim Nizam. Would you have agreed if he had surrendered to Pakistan in 1947 and called his province South Pakistan? The same is the case with kashmir. We Indians are short sighted when it comes to Kashmir. Pakistan’s argument is correct,but the method they are employing to secure Kashmir is disgusting.
SRINIVAS says “Hindus consitituted 11 % of the population in PAkistan ….today its down to 2 % ….where are they ??? …..”
Just Common Sense. They are in Bangladesh today because it is not Pakistan anymore.
Today I would prefer LOC being the International border because annexation of Kashmir to Pakistan will result in a massive bloodshed of the Indian Muslims and also Fanatical Muslims in Pakistan will see it as a stepping stone to secure Delhi next. It is true that India has done a lot to Kashmir than Pakistan. They have even built the second highest railway line and Kashmiri Youths have lesser unemployment. On the contrary BBC journalists report that POK still look like a medieval state filled with Jehadis. There are atrocities and deaths on both the sides of the border,the only difference is that,in India it gets reported because of the secular media. LOC being the international border is also stressed by Pakistan intellectuals like Pervez Hoodbhoy,the only sad news is Pakistan is not listening to these real Humans.
SI :”Well, at different times Mizoram, Nagaland, Tamil Nadu and Jammu and Kashmir did not want to be part of India.”
Come on I agree with Mizoram, Nagaland and Jammu and Kashmir but not with Tamil Nadu. Its a joke,isn’t it? When did Tamil Nadu did not want to a part of India? They may cry foul for India’s inaction against the Civil war in Lanka,but the mentioning in the media that he was trying to deviate the Patriotic feeling of the Tamils being Indians made him shut up,isn’t it? It is the only state where Muslims are well looked after and they really feel Indian. I can recall my Muslim colleague saying,”Naan Oru Indian first,Tamil Next,Muslim last”. I haven’t seen any Muslim telling that in any other State.
SearchIndia.com Responds:
You write: Come on I agree with Mizoram, Nagaland and Jammu and Kashmir but not with Tamil Nadu. Its a joke,isn’t it? When did Tamil Nadu did not want to a part of India?
No, we’re not joking.
See SearchIndia.com’s profile on Annadurai drawn from New York Times (May 6, 1962) and other sources.
Here’s an excerpt from SearchIndia.com’s profile on Annadurai:
Source: New York Times, May 6, 1962. Secession Urged for India’s South
To SI:
I have been ignorant it seems. Thanks for the article though.
So what should we do now, gift Kashmir to Pakistan and Tamilnadu to Karunandidhi?????
Buddies, before you speak nonsense like this, think of those olden days, when freedom fighters had the balls to fight the british inspite of being jailed, tortured, and killed, to get freedom. How many of you will survive one round of LATHICHARGE by our Indian Police???? Guess not many!! You people write, “India is no saint. Kashmir rightly belongs to Pakistan and India has occupied it. This is a truth that many of us Indians refuse to accept . Mistakes were done in 1947 and anything to repair those mistake will only result in a massive bloodshed”. The only mistake we Indians did was to not destroy Pakistan!!! We have lost over thousands of Indian soldiers to the Indo-Pak war. Even today, many of our brave soldiers are patrolling the border in freezing cold to battle terror. And here, people like you just relax and start commenting whatever you like? Are you people nuts? It took Sardar Vallabhai Patel nearly 2 decades to unify all the states and create a united INdia. Yes he did forcibly annex some states, but it was for their own good. Afterall, one moronic central government is better than a hitler-like Monarch ruling over a state, right? If we were to listen to your WISE COMMENTS, there would be no India tomorrow, only 29 countries or states divided on caste, creed, Language etc.
It’s funny that some people always wanna find fault with India and call it by names. Yes India is no saint, but no country is/was. Shall I tell you why India is in Shambles today, it’s because most of the brilliant Indians left the country to seek comfort in countries like USA and Europe, while some of them remained in India, but never managed to shine thanks to our corrupt system. And furthermore, most of us Indians always complain, complain, and complain about our condition, everybody wants to speak, but nobody wants to do anything to improve the nation. Therefore, if you can do something, do it, else shut up!
@SI: Sorry for wasting your time and blogspace pal, I can’t stand some stupid morons who live in India and just spend their time complaining about it. We want doers and not talkers.
SearchIndia.com Responds:
Seems like the above comment is directed mostly at LIve_AS_yOU_LIkE. Will let him/her/it respond.
To Aswin_Kini,
Well there are only two possibilities. The first is we should not have recognized the nations of Pakistan and Bangladesh as they were a part of India before 1947 and that means Kashmir belongs to India. Or else If we had finally recognized Pakistan on the basis of religious lines, then it logically follows that Pakistan’s claim on Kashmir is correct. But if I were today’s premier of India, I will not allow Kashmir to let go of India’s clutches because for the time being India has better Human right records compared to Pak.
You say “We have lost over thousands of Indian soldiers to the Indo-Pak war. Even today, many of our brave soldiers are patrolling the border in freezing cold to battle terror. And here, people like you just relax and start commenting whatever you like? Are you people nuts?”
Lets see in this way. Are we proud that many of our fellow soldiers are dead in the wars? If Nehru had got the balls either to liberate the whole of Kashmir or to annex the whole of Kashmir to India in 1947-48 itself when Pakistan was weak,do you think those hundreds of thousands of soldiers have to patrol the border desperately? I am not cracking. Either Nehru should have been a Gandhi or he should have been a Shastri-remember our PM Shastri when he took a bold decision to invade Lahore which of course stopped the 1965 infiltration. Nehru was neither.That is the reason for all our problems. What I mean is either India should have been an imperial nation like US controlling its neighbors or it should have been a good and weak nation,friendly with its neighbors. It was neither and that’s why the Kashmir is in half today, bleeding itself and also bleeding the Indian’s lives and economy. Before barking, read the Kashmir history properly and the plebiscite Nehru promised. Don’t take pride in the fact several of our soldiers had lost their lives for nothing. They are humans and they had deserved a better life.
Even though I say Kashmir logically belong to Pak, I personally think it would have been very cool if India had annexed the whole of Kashmir before 1948 itself ignoring all the UN barking. I only dislike the fact that our leaders always take poor decisions. It would have even better if there was no Pakistan in the first place itself. Imagine how cool it would be if we can say that we are an under graduate from IIT-Lahore or that we are going for a vacation to SWAT.
SI is good at diverting topics …..there is no comparison between Kashmir and other parts of India ….
Ambedakar wanted Dalits to seperate.
Periyar wanted “dravida nadu”- Present day TN,AP,karnataka,Kerala , Pondicherry
Annadurai repeated the same
Bhindrawale wanted Khalistan
Sikhs (Master Tara Singh ) wanted a seperate Sikh state during partition itself
ULFA wants Seperate Assam
Every State in Northeast has a group asking for a seperate state / Secession
As on today Naxals have similar demands …
We can find somebody in every state of India ….who has / had – some demand or the other …..either a seperate state or seccession ….
Similarly in PAkistan we have Sindhis …Mohajirs having similar demands ….apart from Baluchi’s
the point here is in case of Kashmir we are waging a war with Pakistan and that makes it a differnt case …. We have given Muslims 30% of our best Land …that goes by the name of Pakistan ….they cannot ask for more and more in the name of religion ….if that’s the criteria …..then Lahore and many other parts of Punjab which were Hindu/Sikh Majority should come to India ….. Criteria of Religion is over and done with PArtition …..Princely states have the option …..they dont fall under this religion criteria
If will of People is an basis on which it has to be decided then …..Jammu and Ladakh will come to India ……Part of Kashmir …for Pandits will come to India ………similarly Baluchistan , Sindh etc then has to be a seperate country …..
the Point is very simple ….you cannot keep shifting stands when it suits you ….or the situation has changed …..Plebiscite was to be held ….right when Pakistan attacked KAshmir and not now ???… The UN Resolution is no longer valid after 50 yrs ….
If that’s how it works ….then we can as well create similar conditions in Pakistan and then demand a Plebiscite ….and again break up that country ….
IF religion is still a criteria ….then declare India a Hindu Country and kick out Muslims
SearchIndia.com Responds:
We brought up the issue of plebiscite to provide a historical context. With new people coming on board to SI, sometimes a brief repetition is necessary so that they can look up the issue for further study if they want to.
That said, we doubt a plebiscite will ever be held. It’s most likely as dead as the dodo.
SI : We brought up the issue of plebiscite to provide a historical context. With new people coming on board to SI, sometimes a brief repetition is necessary so that they can look up the issue for further study if they want to.
That said, we doubt a plebiscite will ever be held. It’s most likely as dead as the dodo.
This discussion about KAshmir , gujarat / godhra has happened in the past and I have provided links from credible sources ….like the UN resolution link ….i suggest you put that link in your future articles …so that people dont repeatedely hold India responsible for not holding the plebisite …..they must know that the conditions for holding the plebisite were not fulfilled by Pakistan …..
Pakistan has consistently broken all agreements signed by it with India during the three wars it fought ……
No country which believes that KAshmir is its part will gift away a part of it to China …..
SearchIndia.com Responds:
OK. This weekend, we’ll keep the links in a separate notepad file so that we can easily insert them in our responses to the comments by others.
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please chek it out:
http://www.muktajeevangirlscollege.com
is just our latest,we are planning many more
SearchIndia.com Responds:
1. You write: as a ram bhakta,we have opened up more woman’s schools than even the christian missionaries….we are planning many more
Great.
We can’t wait to see if education makes women as stupid as it has made men!
2. In our not-so-humble opinion, the Swaminarayan cult will separate from Hinduism in a few decades and become a separate religion and Gujarat will try to secede from India aided by the large Gujju diaspora.