Predictions are boring. So 2008-ish.
Since we are no Nostradamus or Sahadeva, we’ll instead talk about what we’d like to see.
The following are some of the items on our Wish List for 2009:
* LTTE leader Velupillai Prabhakaran surrender to Indian security forces and plead to be hanged for his crimes against humanity.
* Desi butcher and Citigroup CEO Vikram Pandit retire and start a halal meat center in Jackson Heights, NY.
* Mayawati to put a Freeze on her Birthday Celebrations so that PWD Engineers can live to see another day.
* Stop sale of acid in Andhra Pradesh.
* Narendra Modi to be locked up in Guantanamo Bay prison.
* Shiv Sena leader Bal Thackeray take up sanyas and appoint a Muslim as his successor.
* Less crappy Bollywood & Kollywood movies. Yeah, yeah, we know that’s asking for the impossible.
* Indian IT firms decline outsourcing contracts out of fraternal sympathy for their suffering American brothers and sisters.
* Abhishek Bachchan retire from Bollywood but not before apologizing to fans for his decade-long torture.
* Pray that our Senators stop soliciting for sex in airport restrooms.
* Ban H1B & L1 Visas and deport all the coolies.
* For the U.S. to pass an amendment to prevent idiots (yes, we mean our dodo George W.Bush) from becoming Presidents ever again.
* Tamil starlet Nayantara enter a convent and become a nun as repentance for her vulgar shows on the screen.
* Bollywood actress Priyanka Chopra request her boyfriend Harman Baweja to migrate to Siberia or Antarctica.
* Apple to cut price of the iPhone 3G to $49.
* LTTE leader Velupillai Prabhakaran fall at Sonia Gandhi’s feet and apologize for thrusting widowhood upon her.
* Less terrorist violence in India.
* Residents of Tamil Nadu celebrate Liberation Day each time the Sri Lankan Army wrests control of a piece of territory from the LTTE terrorists.
* The Indian Cabinet en masse sign up for Alzheimers’ treatment.
* Improvement in the status of Indian Muslims.
* Pakistan to curb its favorite export to India – terrorism.
* Thieving swines Venkat Prabhu, Muruga Doss & Rumi Jaffrey wear stripes.
* Tamil film actor Vishal quit films and take up the job of shouter in the Ulundurpet taluk bus-stand yelling out Kanchipuram, Tindivanam, Thanjavur, Chidambaram, Mayavaram, Villupuram, Oddanchatram, Palani, Erode, Salem…right, right.
* Wall Street should return the $700 billion bailout money.
* Kamal Haasan should not be able to count beyond 10.
* A nationwide healthcare system in USA similar to UK or Canada.
* Tamil star Ajith to stop his Ultimate Korangu antics in movies.
* Detroit Big Three should return the $17 billion of bailout money and shut down their junk producing factories.
* Improvement in public transportation in U.S.
* Constitutional amendment to prevent states from privatizing Highways in U.S.
* Bailout package for common man in America.
* Rahul Gandhi to be replaced by Priyanka Gandhi (at least she’s pretty).
* Anushka Sharma be certified as an imbecile for failing to recognize her husband without his mustache.
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Hey SI and all those who are doing a great job there “HAPPY NEW YEAR”.
May all your wishes come true or at least come closer to some reality…(haa, haa)
We totally agree with your above wish list and make me one your well wisher’s in that list.
Maybe you should add this to your list:
users like SRINIVAS should think before using the keyboard
SearchIndia.com Responds:
No.
We are in a cheerful mood now given that the Sri Lankan Army has set fire to LTTE terrorist Prabhakaran’s tail.
Stop sucking up mihi_rex. How is SRINIVAS a bother to you? He’s got a right to his opinions, whether they be dumb or smart, just like you do.
I agree with some of your list. The rest is annoying/ unfunny.
SearchIndia.com Responds:
Not sure if your ire is directed at mihi_rex or us.
Yes, we agree SRINIVAS is entitled to his opinions. But for his rabid anti-Muslim sentiments, the guy usually talks sense and shows some evidence of scholarship too.
We thought we made it clear when we answered No to mihi_rex.
Even if we disagree with the comments, we’ve never shied away from publishing diverse opinions here.
ok, that was a stupid comment. i take it back.
Your comments saying to retire many professionals, you are also insulting H1b’s, your comments also cruely enjoyng the fall of elam tamil capital. Not a good taste at all, you are a anti-tamil, pro-kannda, anti h1b’s etc. Ella kathaikalukum oru mudivundu, rombha addina mela ulla aandavan summa vidamattan.
SearchIndia.com Responds:
1. You write: you are also insulting H1b’s
With unemployment rising in the U.S., it’s perfectly fair to call for a ban on the issue of H1B Visas.
Every country’s first obligation is to its citizens.
We hope the U.S. not only curbs the H1B program but also stops processing employment-based Green Card applications.
2. You write: Not a good taste at all, you are a anti-tamil, pro-kannda
Rubbish. We are not pro or anti anyone except perhaps anti-idiots (yes, we mean you).
Here’s what we feel regarding Karnataka & Tamil Nadu.
Compared to Tamil Nadu, Karnataka is overall in a bad shape and in terminal decline as far as industrial development is concerned.
a). Except on the issue of support for the LTTE terrorists, Tamil Nadu is so far ahead of Karnataka.
b). Tamil Nadu has had better political and bureaucratic leadership than Karnataka over the last two decades plus (starting from Gundu Rao, it’s been mostly downhill for Karnataka).
c). Overall infrastructure like power supply and roads are far superior in Tamil Nadu compared to Karnataka.
d). Take for instance the recent TiE-KPMG study on entrepreneurs’ preferred destination: Karnataka is again lagging Tamil Nadu & other states like Gujarat.
Here’s an excerpt from the Times of India story:
e). Karnataka is a state in deep decline.
To borrow a phrase from Rajiv Gandhi (he once described Calcutta as a dying city), it’d be quite appropriate to describe Karnataka as a dying state as far as development. Even if the Yediyurapa govt in Karnataka does its best, it’s going to take a long time to fix decades of neglect.
f). People in the state suffer from too much of a hogli-bidu adjust-maduko culture (lack fire in the belly) compared to Tamil Nadu, Gujarat et al.
3. In future, if you do not provide English translation for your Tamil sentences in parenthesis your comment will NOT be processed. Not all readers understand Tamil here.
Purinjida, Manga Madaya (understand, dolt)?
4. You write: your comments also cruely enjoyng the fall of elam tamil capital
We’ll be happier when the terrorist leader Velupillai Prabhakaran is taken in shackles to Delhi and tried for his role in Rajiv Gandhi’s assassination.
5. You write: aandavan summa vidamattan (God will not keep quiet)
Endha aandavan (which God)? We don’t believe in such fiction here.
To open the new year with some exotic news. Please check the following link about a beggar who was nabbed and found to be having an account in a bank of a Million rupees. Funny but true.
A millionaire beggar nabbed in Colombo/Sri Lanka
http://www.sundaytimes.lk/090104/News/sundaytimesnews_17.html
SearchIndia.com Responds:
Interesting.
When you write like kuppai, korangu in your reviews… u think i keep english poda maanga mandai mada sothai payale
SearchIndia.com Responds:
You sober?
Off topic: The film “Abhiyum Naanum” directed by Radha Mohan has got good reviews. Prakash Raj is good and Trisha too has given a decent performance in acting.
SearchIndia.com Responds:
1. We think it made it to the U.S. but drowned in the Ghajini hype.
2. You write: Prakash Raj is good and Trisha too has given a decent performance in acting
We can easily believe the part about Prakash Raj doing a good job but have a hard time accepting that Trisha too has given a decent performance (as you say).
If Trisha has any talent in the acting department, she’s kept it a closely guarded secret.
But maybe Trisha worked hard and did a good job in this movie. We can’t say for sure since we have yet to watch it.
thanks to all including – mihi_rex
Let’s see a end – (or solution) to Terrorism committed by Muslims / SL govt and there will be a change in my anti – Muslim stance ….Maybe mihi_rex can convince them!!! and I promise I will think before touching the keyboard
My Stance is based on facts / events …. and will change …if situation changes ….its not a ideology like Jihad ……which will not end till such time that Allah’s rule is established throughout the world ….
SI : Wish List
will agree with some of them …and some no …and some like movie related ones are not relevant ….anyway its your list
…
SI :We are in a cheerful mood now given that the Sri Lankan Army has set fire to LTTE terrorist Prabhakaran’s tail.
As an Indian I am aware that LTTE killed Rajiv … LTTE to finance its operations sells arms (even to insurgent groups in India)… they killed many tamil leaders who did not agree with them ….when India stopped support to LTTE … others pitched in …some say Pakistan / China …. but considering SL is a friend of PAkistan …looks unlikely …..its difficult for us to verify these things …but we have to go by what our govt says ….there are a lot of reasons for the Indian Govt to not support LTTE …and not just Rajiv assassination …
Can we look at the whole issue only by keeping Rajiv Assassination by LTTE as a reference point ..NO
The real problem in SL is equal rights for Tamil Minority . Stability for the entire region lies in Solution to the ethnic crisis ….Solution lies in devolution of power …equal rights to Tamils in SL ….
…. whether people like LTTE or not …its a organisation which ultimately retains that leverage / bargaining power with the SL govt …. without which Tamils wont get even the little they are getting today … How do I say that ??
Look at what happened after Karuna surrendered and those areas wherein a puppet govt headed by him is installed ….. He himself has expressed his dissatifaction ….the current Govt has failed to keep up its bare minimum promises …. neither have govt’s in the past headed by different parties and leaders …..
Forget those areas which were / are in the control of LTTE ….other areas where Tamils stay with the majority Sinhalese ?? … Has the Govt bought in some constitutional changes …done something at the ground level to inspire confidence in the people …..NO ….
Lets understand that the problem will not get solved if Prabhakaran is caught ….somebody else will take over … civil war will continue …suicide bombings will increase in parts of SL ….especially Sinhala dominated areas …this will provoke a backlash against Tamils …and they will again retaliate …so the spiral of violence will continue …..
We should look for a permanent solution …Tragic Events like Rajiv getting killed …Prominent Tamil Leaders or Sinhala LEaders / Ministers getting killed / injured or Prabhakaran joining this list …..cannot be a focal point OR the only point for the discussion / solution …
When a country hits out on people of Indian orgin …especially in a way in which SL / Uganda / Malayasia has done …can they still claim that they like India as a country and considers India a friend ..wants good relationship etc ???? ….
You must pause and think ….What are they hitting out at???? – Culture – Religion – India means Hinduism / Hindu country for the rest of the world .. Desecrating / Demolishing temples … Discriminating and killing people because they speak a language and follow a religion which is not theirs – its Indian .
…. Everything that represents/ is a part of Indian ethos /culture ….. As History shows ….they can …many will in the future … the reason is simple … we are divided on the basis of religion/ Caste / Language ….so Other countries can take advantage of that ….and we let them do that …they hit out at one …and appeal to the other …
If Idi Amin drives out Indians …sorry its Gujarati’s / Sindhis …so others can look the other way … People also said – WE know how these Gujaratis’s / Sindhi’s do business ..they must have done something…. But is that the point ….as an Indian will you support them or will you let your prejudices ..let you say that they deserve it ….
if its SL / Malayasia …its Tamils …so now others can look the other way … it happened in South Africa to a lesser extent … Hindus and Sikhs in Afganistan … Indians in Fiji & Guyana ….sorry it was poor migrant labourers from UP & Bihar …
Future flash points will be Gulf / Middle east …..so Kerala will shout ….others will sleep ….. at some point later ….it will be countries like UK …ask the indigenous White in UK …if he likes Indians ???? … areas dominated by Asians is a no-go for British people …
There is a strong movement in Entire Europe to ban Immigration ….fuelled by concerns on terrorism ….especially Muslim Immigrants ..
Our People will identify these issues as issues faced by Ethnic communities and keep quite ..some will say they deserve it…..some will say its a internal issue and we must not interfere …. If India treats French citizens staying in Pondicherry or Portugese staying in Goa in the same way ….will others accept that as an Internal Issue and keep quite ???? ….OBVIOUSLY NO …. OTher countries care about their people …both in thier country and outside ….we dont …
Then we will raise a bogey saying that Tamilians in India will be affected ….this may cause trouble …they will secede …so govt will start controlling them ….even if they say no ….we have no such intentions ….Govt will insist that they have ….so dont do anything to protect your people (whether inside or outside) ….if somebody raises a concern ….brand him as a potential troublemaker and go after him …..
SearchIndia.com Responds:
1. Your rant gives Pakistan, Bangladesh, Saudi Arabia & others the go ahead to protest against the Gujarat Government’s pogrom against Muslims in the state.
No, the Sri Lankan Tamils are not our people.
It’s perfectly fine to express an opinion or condemn their ill-treatment but to involve ourselves so intensely as the folks in Tamil Nadu do in Sri Lanka’s internal affairs is beyond ridiculous.
2. You write: We should look for a permanent solution …Tragic Events like Rajiv getting killed…..cannot be a focal point OR the only point for the discussion / solution …
This is absolute nonsense.
Who is We? You & 66 million other Tamils in Tamil Nadu?
We (1.2 billion Indians) have more than enough pressing problems in India to worry about than mollycoddling some whacko-terrorists who recruit children as soldiers and kill our leaders.
The Tamil issue in Sri Lanka is that country’s internal problem.
The leader of our country (Rajiv Gandhi) is killed by a foreign terrorist and you argue that it cannot be a focal point OR the only point for the discussion / solution (words in italics are your words).
We’ve rarely heard anything so traitorous or completely irrational.
“LTTE leader Velupillai Prabhakaran fall at Sonia Gandhi’s feet and apologize for thrusting widowhood upon her.”
I jss wanna ask a doubt here with my very little knowledge about this issue, who do u think is responsible for thrusting widowhood on so many Tamil women and the brutality towards their men and children which happened even b4 LTTE was formulated?
srilankan army ? Anti-Tamil protestors ? or the sinhalese extremists?
SearchIndia.com Responds:
1. You write above: I jss wanna ask a doubt here with my very little knowledge about this issue, who do u think is responsible for thrusting widowhood on so many Tamil women and the brutality towards their men and children which happened even b4 LTTE was formulated?
Whoever was responsible, that’s Sri Lanka’s internal problem.
Do you want Pakistan to interfere in India because of the Narendar Modi government’s pogrom against Muslims in Gujarat.
2. You write above: which happened even b4 LTTE was formulated
Kiddo, learn to write. LTTE was not formulated.
SI : Endha aandavan (which God)? We don’t believe in such fiction here.
IAmAnIdiot –
Both of you — Karnataka / TN issue is related to Cauvery Water ….. we must not take it beyond that … instead of solving it ….the whole process should not result in further bad blood and new issues cropping up ….where none exists……
at the end of the day ….both are Indians and I (we )would/(should) like each and every state of India to do well ….including KArnataka …… competition between states ….should be healthy and they should also help each other …..negativity doesnt help ….. Why is that we are happy when our fellow indian suffers …because he speaks a different language …that’s it ….again the language comes from the same family ……and there are many common demoninators like common nationality / race / religion etc which we forget … this applies to both states and other’s as well ….
Cauvery Water : My take … Both states should stop increasing land under cultivation ..to claim more share of water … they have to realise at the end of the day shortage will always be there and hence look for the following :
Other sources of water (including harvesting)
Change crop pattern -those which consume less water
Alternate means of employment (since all cant do farming)
Last but not the least …respect the verdict of courts , tribunals …they are neutral …..they take decision based on area of land and crop under cultivation and then accordingly allocate water based on need ……….. THEY DONT CONSIDER LANGUAGE AS A PARAMETER WHILE DECIDING
Dont take it to the streets …since position’s are contradictory ….no verdict can meet the demands of both the states completely … also for argument sake if that has to happen — since total amount of Water in the river will prove insufficient ….. Cauvery will have to expand … cause floods and take over all that land which you cultivate for a bigger and larger river and rain gods will also have to comply …
SI : Whichever Aandavan you believe …even he is called as Periyar …or as they save God lies within …. ANBE Sivam or Sivam ….anything will do …
Srinivas : Let’s see a end – (or solution) to Terrorism committed by Muslims ..
Srinivas, you should understand one thing, there was no Muslim terrorism in India before Dec 6 1991.
Is LTTE’s terrorism just a simple Terrorism? or Tamil Terrorism?
If anything similar is done by a muslim is muslim/islamic terrorism. Then why not other terrorisms not called by the members of its dominating race group?
SearchIndia.com Responds:
You write above: If anything similar is done by a muslim is muslim/islamic terrorism. Then why not other terrorisms not called by the members of its dominating race group?
Good point.
joeantony :Srinivas, you should understand one thing, there was no Muslim terrorism in India before Dec 6 1991.
I will give you two examples : (there are many more)
joeantony — Muslim terrorism started in India with the ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Pandits in Kashmir …much before Babri Masjid (BTW its 6th Dec 1992).
As commonly told …its not Pakistan …or Pak backed foreign militants ……… KAshmiri Muslims …I repeat …Kashmiri Muslims ….their own brothers (that’s what they say) did the job …. Pak backed foreign militants came much later …. more than 3.5 million Kashmiris are living in camps even today
This incident revived all the dormant Hindutva groups and they became a rallying point in the north …. People have suffered enough thanks to partition … to do such a thing to Hindus in their own country ….that too after getting Pakistan is unacceptable ….. INDIA IS A SECULAR COUNTRY IS NOT AN ANSWER TO THIS … Govt failed to protect or act ….nobody talks about this …nobody says that Farooq Abdullah should be hanged or sent to jail …
Influx of Bangladeshi Muslims in Assam during 1970 – 1971 and support they received from Local Muslims …final Result today …. insurgency in Assam …ULFA … Change in Demographic profile …..all this after you got Pakistan and then Bangladesh ….
I am not interested in questioning Muslim faith / Koran or Sharia or Jihad or the ideology which drives them ….they think that’s the way to live ???? … fine …go to Pakistan ….that’s what they said ….asked for Pakistan …. they got what they wanted …Islamic state …after giving 30 % of our best land … we have to put with this nonsense and answer all questions in the name of secularism ??
They dont deserve anything ..
Shuaib 68 : Is LTTE’s terrorism just a simple Terrorism? or Tamil Terrorism?
This question has been asked by many in diff ways …BJP is Hindu terrorism … Israel is JEwish Terrorism ….USA is Christian/Western Terrorism etc etc …… The attempt here is to draw a parallel ……
Drving force behind Islamic Terrorism is the ideology of jihad ….straight out of the Koran / Sira / Hadith …. Mohammed’s life in Medina as a warrior and his life wherein he drove away jews from Arabia …exhorts his followers to kill Kafirs , Infidels ….or let them stay if they are ready to pay jaziya etc ..(Dhimmitude) ….that’s the base ….i am sure as a Muslim …you know what I a referring to …you must have read your books ….
This is not what we are saying …this is what every terrorist …thier supporters … the so called common man says …. Islam is under threat …drive away infidels …kill enemies of Islam …..establish supremacy of Allah etc etc …..Allah has said its your religious duty to do jihad …. asking the world to convert to Islam ….and what not …
Compare this with others ……
LTTE is not out to kill all sinhalese in all parts of the world ….its not targetting Buddhist in all parts of the world …..they have never claimed this as a religious struggle …conflict is limited to specific areas …they have not called for the annhilation of Sinhala state or people or Buddhist …unlike say Hamas ……..
Others are reacting to Islamic terrorism …….and they are not doing this driven by ideology .
oh am sorry ! “which happened even b4 LTTE was formed”…
Y should india follow pakistan ?
neway srilankan brutality towards the tamils is much worse than LTTE’s attacks towards that country…
Atleast by no. they would have killed more people than the ltte.
SearchIndia.com Responds:
You write above: neway srilankan brutality towards the tamils is much worse than LTTE’s attacks towards that country…
We are not concerned with LTTE butchery toward Sri Lankan citizens (be it Tamil, Sinhala or Muslim). We can condemn such atrocities but ultimately it’s Sri Lanka’s problem.
We are concerned that the LTTE terrorists killed an Indian leader (Rajiv Gandhi) on Indian soil – yes, in Tamil Nadu.
SI : Your rant gives Pakistan, Bangladesh, Saudi Arabia & others the go ahead to protest against the Gujarat Government’s pogrom against Muslims in the state.
They have …and lets understand if ARAB’s are targetted the entire islamic world rallies behind them …the fact is Muslims in India are not Arabs …and Pakistan’s and Bangladesh’s track record with minorities does not permit them to do so ……. last but not the least ….Godhra and hence Gujrat riots happened …your comparions are just not right ..
SI :Who is We? You & 66 million other Tamils in Tamil Nadu?
I have answered this by giving examples …Indians will keep fighting amongst themselves … We means Indians for me and for some like you it has a diff meaning …
SI : Rajiv gandhi – We’ve rarely heard anything so traitorous or completely irrational.
I have already said …that its one of the reasons …can’t be the only reason …or a way to look at the issue ….because the issue is much more complex …..
India even if it wants is not able to stay out of it …not because of Tamilians in TN …but because of various other reasons :
its desire to be a dominant power …not let the space be occupied by Pakistan or China …in its backyard …the fact that if this issue is not resolved ….it will result in more refugees …etc etc
This issue is not about one event …you have to expand your horizons and understand and start looking and analysing at an issue from a solution perspective …
SearchIndia.com Responds:
You write above: you have to…start looking and analysing at an issue from a solution perspective …
1. A solution is fine as long as Prabhakaran wears stripes (meaning stay in prison) for the rest of his life.
A solution is not a get-away scotfree for your murders card.
2. Regarding your point about Godhra being the cause of Gujarat riots, there’s still considerable uncertainty about the causes of the fire.
The Umesh Chandra Banerjee committee has said the fire in the railway coach was accidental. Of course, the Ram Bhaktas will never accept that.
You might also want to read this on the conspiracy angle.
SI : We are concerned that the LTTE terrorists killed an Indian leader (Rajiv Gandhi) on Indian soil – yes, in Tamil Nadu.
We are concerned too …but limited concern will not solve the issue …
SearchIndia.com Responds:
You write: We are concerned too …but limited concern will not solve the issue …
Right.
Our precondition for any solution is that LTTE terrorist Velupillai Prabhakaran must be put behind bars for life.
It is a waste of time to discuss issues (regarding tamil and hindi cinema or politics or any thing on earth) with some one who calls Rajkumar as “AnnaVaru”, fond enough of Rajkumar to dedicate a blog to him (and this guy makes funny comments on shivaji ganesan for over acting..), calls Tamilians Terrorists and still wants us to believe he is not a kannadiga and in fact a tamilian.
SearchIndia.com Responds:
Are you a complete idiot?
This blog is not dedicated to anyone. We are not for or against anyone here. And a post is different from a blog.
Here’s the full sentence of what we wrote:
The late Kannada actor Rajkumar a.k.a. annavaru was not a great actor but songs from his movies are the stuff of legend.
There should be a law against letting retards like you near a keyboard.
Your previous comment was bad.
This one is rubbish.
Guess, you’ll scale the Mount Everest of nonsense with the next comment. Ahhhgghhh.
“Srinivas, you should understand one thing, there was no Muslim terrorism in India before Dec 6 1991.”
Joeantony, you wouldn’t know history if it came and slapped itself across your face. SRINIVAS does bring valid points in his argument that Islamic terrorism in India existed before 1991. Plus, the problems in Kashmir DID begin before 1991, or did you not know that?
Another example of Islamic terrorism is the Moplah rebellion, that coincided with the Khilafat movement to protect the Ottaman Caliphate. The Moplahs looted, killed, raped, and forcibly converted scores of Hindus in Kerala. They even wanted to segregate themselves from their native lands, sought to remove Malayalam as their mother tongue and wanted to return to their Arabic roots. Did someone say ALL Indian Muslims feel a sense of belonging with this land? Apparently not, otherwise there wouldn’t be a Pakistan.
For the record, the great man Gandhi, himself blessed this rebellion. With all due respect to the “great” man, he thought it was an independence struggle against the British. Little did he know it was a pogrom in disguise. Then again, he never really acknowledged the massacre of innocents. Another winner of the “Dhimmi of the century”.
@SI “Improvement in the status of Indian Muslims.”
Why just the Indian Muslims, SI? Why not the Dalits, the tribes in MP, Leh and Ladakh regions, and North East India, and the Tamil Brahmins? Dhimmi-tude in overdrive, maybe? Hmmmm?
SearchIndia.com Responds:
The above comment and maybe others too is what we’d describe as a tendency to commit semantic murder of terrorism and murder by semantic terrorism.
Words are contextual not merely in the sentence in which they appear but on a temporal dimension as well.
Not surprised at the attempt to stretch the definition of terrorism to include anything folks don’t like.
To use the term terrorism the way you folks use is akin to counting Brahmins among the world’s greatest terrorists for their historical acts of commission and omission (as the U.S. would say supporting terrorism overtly or covertly is terrorism).
Perhaps the Trial of Warren Hastings in the late 18th century should be considered the first large-scale trial of an (allegedly) monstrous terrorist
SI : Regarding your point about Godhra being the cause of Gujarat riots, there’s still considerable uncertainty about the causes of the fire.
The Umesh Chandra Banerjee committee has said the fire in the railway coach was accidental. Of course, the Ram Bhaktas will never accept that.
You might also want to read this on the conspiracy angle.
Muslims from godhra who are involved have been caught …one of them erstwhile congress corporator …some more are congressmen …..they have confessed …and are quite proud of it ….the plot has been unravelled and the trial is on …. that’s the reason why all are keeping quite and nobody here is referring to this report any longer …..
Fire was accidental ….but somehow doors were locked from outside ?????? …the report is full of loopholes …the train had other bogies and people travelling …. who are eyewitness and they claim to the contrary ….should we not believe the common man …who was there and has seen it ????? or do we go by a commission who is investigating the incident after so many years ???
The Report and findings are political in nature …..Now lets be sensible and understand / accept that these commissions are political tools …to fix the opposition ….NOT even INTENDED to bring out the truth ….Hence NOT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY ….
The accusation that Ram Bhakta’s set/ (accident ) themselves on fire is as true as the following claims :
America planned and executed 9/11
India planned and executed 26/11 …so and so forth …many more to come in the future …..
Sorry …. BUT CAN PEOPLE BE SO STUPID TO BELIEVE SUCH THINGS …OR DO THEY DO SO AND THEN SPREAD THE WORD AROUND INTENTIONALLY ????
SearchIndia.com Responds:
1. Who knows anymore who is right – The Hindu elements who claim the Muslims are the perpetrators or the Umesh Chandra Banerjee committee that suggests the fire was accidental.
While the cause of the fire may be disputable, the undisputable fact remains that people from both sides (Hindus & Muslims) died.
Were their deaths preventable – who knows?
2. You write: Muslims from godhra who are involved have been caught …one of them erstwhile congress corporator …some more are congressmen …..they have confessed
After a few minutes in any Indian police lockup (perhaps, more so for a Muslim in Gujarat), anyone will confess to anything. They’ll confess that they are Mahmud Ghazni, Vishwamitra or even ET if the policemen demand it.
SI : Godhra Issue
Well ..Let me put it this way ….
There are two sides (including their affliates – media, commission etc )
…both would make predictable statements …both can be accussed as being biased/lying … So in such a scenario do we have some other source of info ….in this case …YES
The source is other passangers travelling in the train ….their statements cannot be dismissed as – “Who knows anymore who is right”
So I have gone by what they have said …. HENCE IT’S MUSLIMS WHO SET FIRE AND IT WAS NOT A ACCIDENTAL FIRE … Hope it’s clear now
SI : Godhra Issue:
http://godhracarnage.blogspot.com/2005/01/godhra-in-pictures.html
There are extracts from two posts in a blog …not my post … read both for loopholes in the so called report
Anonymous said…
In a blow to InJustice Banerjee’s approval of mere speculation that Godhra fire was mere accident GUjarat HC NULLIFIES this commission’s fabricated report.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1819656,001301170000.htm?headline=Banerjee~panel~illegal:~Gujarat~HC
Anonymous said…
Justice UC Banerjee !
Please answer these questions
1) Did you consider the evidence that two meetings took place on the night of 26.2.2002 at the Aman Guest House at Godhra, where the conspiracy to set fire to Bogey No.S-6 of the Sabarmati Express was hatched?
2) Did you consider the evidence that 140 litres of petrol was purchased from a nearby petrol pump on the night of 26.2.2002 and kept at Aman Guest House itself?
3) Did you consider the evidence that one of the conspirators Salim Badam was verifying the movement of the Sabarmati Express at 1.30 AM on 27.2.2002 from the Godhra Railway Station? Since the train was running four hours late the conspirators reassembled at the Aman Guest House at 6 AM.
4) Did you consider the evidence that chain pulling was simultaneously executed from various compartments to get the train stopped so that the mob at the platform could indulge in stone throwing?
5) Did you consider the evidence of workers who have deposed about the transportation of petrol from the Aman Guest House to the Station?
6) Did you consider the evidence that the conspirators entered Bogey No.S-7 and cut open the vestibule cord between Bogey S-6 and S-7? Then the entire quantity of petrol was poured in Bogey No. S-6. The entry was done through Bogey S-7 since the scared passengers of S-6 had bolted all the doors of their Bogey.
7) Did you consider the fact that burning rags were thrown into Bogey No.S-6?
8) Do you realise that the “Accident Theory” propounded by you is not an original thought? This was propounded by the accused in the case and repeated by Shri Laloo Prasad Yadav, the Railway Minister while announcing your appointment. You have merely stamped the “Laloo Theory”. If there was a minor fire under a seat due to ‘Accidental Fire’ why did the passengers not get out of the bogey and save their lives. Obviously they could not do so since there was an armed mob outside the bogey attacking them. Do you accept that your ‘Accident Theory’ discounts the presence of the armed MOB on the platform.
10) Do you now realise that the functioning of the Committee and its recommendations will eventually act as the defence for the culprits?
* Why did you accept to head a departmental inquiry of the Railways on a matter where a criminal trial and a Commission of Inquiry are pending?
* Why was the Chief Justice of India not consulted to suggest the name of a retired Judge? You were the choice of the Railway Minister.
* How did Shri Laloo Prasad Yadav get an advance of copy of your report since a translated copy of the summary of your report in Hindi was released by him simultaneously from his residence in Patna?
* Do you expect anyone to believe (as you told a TV Channel) that you are unaware of the fact that Elections to some State Assemblies are being currently held?
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SearchIndia.com Responds:
The pictures are depressing.
The second HT link is not working.
Srinivas, you have nothing in your arguments but just rants against the entire muslim world. All you know about terrorism is just Muslim groups doing the killings and destruction and you hold the entire Muslim world, the Quran, Muhammad, Shariah and everything responsible for these acts.
OK, you are talking about HAMAS. Who are these people and where did they come from???from Germany? From USA? or from India????
But, the Zionist jews came from many parts of the world claiming the land of Palestine as their ancestral land. Did they have any Title Deed for that? yes, the Bible. Is it not ideological? no, it’s not. Because, all those who see them as the owners of these lands hold bible as their title deed. Do you believe in that. Well, if have a prejudice against the muslims and Islam, you will. Because, your philosophy is very similar to theirs.
So, the common objective is to discredit the Muslim/Islam in general. That’s why when these people talk about Muslim terrorism, they come out in full blast attacking every level. Common sense and logic don’t apply here.
We, Muslims in general (those who have no involvement in these politics) have no choice but to watch all these horrendous crimes happen to them for just being Muslims and belonging to Islamic faith.
If Indian govt. does something to a Pakistani or Kashmiri, and they react with violence as a revenge, me, living in a another country as a muslim is responsible for their acts. But, the Indian govt. or some group dominated by the Hindu group is not responsible for any atrocities. Even if that happens, the whole Hindu is community is not held responsible by the Muslims and even the Hindus will never accept they’re being held responsible for these acts. It’s not logical nor any sense.
The Germans drove the entire jews from Germany during Hitler’s rule. They were positioned into a land called Palestine. The Jewish groups terrorised the local inhabitants for years from 1947 as a retaliation for the crimes done to them by the zionists, and the defenders of the inhabitants are called Terrorists??? Something wrong in this philosophy.
When the Indian freedom fighters fought against the British, will you call them as terrorists??? This is what happening in the world today. The media has all the powers to label anybody who is against their type of philosophy as terrorists. It’s controlled by a magnificient corporate body under one umbrella to make profits by any means.
We have no power to go against it, until people come to their senses. This is the way empires ruled from time to time to fool the people of the world.
We are all simply fools to believe their standard of rules and controls.
You are free to believe in those theories and philosophy although it damages your very human sensitivities.
I am trying to be a human first, then comes Muslim/Islam, Sri Lankan, Asian, and everything else.
karthik15981 & SI
Does it really matter …who is a greater than whom … the real issue is only one …Cauvery Waters ….everything else like banning channels and this discussion is really not required …
At the end of the day …if people accept you …you are a great actor ….
Both were accepted and did well …they are icons ..
There are others who were compared in this fashion :
MGR v/s Sivaji
Rajni v/s Kamal etc
Now can we say who is greater ??? …Language cannot be a criteria to decide …its ACTING & Acceptance by MASSES.
SearchIndia.com Responds:
You write above: At the end of the day …if people accept you …you are a great actor
Now, that’s a ridiculous argument.
Vijay can’t become a Marlon Brando (i.e. a great actor) just because three or four of his films are successful at the box office.
You are confusing popularity with acting.
It is injustices that drives some men to commit horrendous crimes. Crimes is not limited only to the Muslims.
BTW, this may be the definition of terrorism as believed by the US authorities concerned, which could be applied to any situation created by anyone, irrespective of Race, Religion, caste & creed:
According to the U.S.’s own definition of terrorism. Under Section 3 of Executive Order 13224 “Blocking Property and prohibiting Transactions with Persons who commit, threaten to commit, or support Terrorism”, the term “terrorism†means an activity that…
(i) involves a violent act or an act dangerous to human life, property, or infrastructure; and
(ii) appears to be intended
• to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
• to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
• to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, kidnapping, or hostage-taking.
SI : Not surprised at the attempt to stretch the definition of terrorism to include anything folks don’t like.
This is a good statement ….and I would like to point out the differences in the way people react to issue :
1) If you take casteism as terrorism …then its accepted that’s its bad and attempts are being made to rectify the situation ….power sharing / reservations etc …some of the leaders who fought/fight for them are upper castes themselves ..
2)Tribes in North East – The Indian state / army is very powerful and can crush these insurgencies with iron hand ….what do we see … a long drawn out struggle …peace talks …and some success in states like Mizoram …wherein the insurgent becomes a MP or a MLA or a Chief Minister ….the state never applies force beyond a certain point … Punjab is one more example wherein Akalis are ruling … Naxals in AP & West Bengal
the reason is simple….they are indians who have concerns and can we address them …. or is killing them the only solution ???
3) Blacks in America
Kashmir is the biggest example of all … Hurriyat conference ….Counter insurgents like Kukka Parrey etc …
Now Imagine the same taking place in China or say a Islamic country …will there be acceptance that the state is wrong ? …that people should be pardoned and brought to the mainstream …issues can be solved without annhilating races ???? …
THEREIN LIES THE DIFFERENCE ….The REACTION OF MUSLIMS IS VERY SIMPLE ..
1) Quote from Koran selectively
2) say that they are misguided youth
3) Play victim by Justifying actions to other events
4)Accuse victims of being perpetrators of the crime
5) Everybody in the world is against ISlam
6) Use religion as a base to drum up support
7) point out at what’s happening in other religions .conviniently forgetting – Shia -Sunni / Ahmadiya / Turks conflicts within Muslims ..
8 ) keep objecting to use of words like ISlamic rather than the act in itself
9) Self Denial Mode
At no point in time do we see efforts being made to rectify the wrongs within the community …the way they deal with others ….ISlam first and everything else afterwards ….
Those who point out at others ….should also learn and apply how those others solve issues or are trying to solve them …
the worst part is that …while dealing with them …you have to learn and do what they do …but at the same time keep reminding yourselves …that …at a fundamental level the act in itself is wrong ….its the circumstance or the context which is forcing you to do so or support such things ……. and you should be very careful …..otherwise you may end up like them …one day
SI :You are confusing popularity with acting
You are right here …but acting as judged by Masses is what popularity is all about …
By Classes/Critics its a different story …in that sense Vijay can’t become Brando …
We fall in the second category ..
SearchIndia.com Responds:
You write above: but acting as judged by Masses is what popularity is all about
Given the various fan clubs and the diehard acolytes, it’s hard to figure out what exactly the masses are judging if at all.
Srinivas – Hindu is a Terrorist religion, Hindus are terrorists, Hinduism teaches terrorism… am I making ANY sense here? Your arguments are muslim religion and muslims sounds just like this. We have some groups likes RSS, BJP, VHP, Sangvi, Purohit etc. who speak like saviours of Hindu religion and indulge in Terrorism. That DOESN’T mean that hindu is a terrorist religion and hindus are terrorist. Same rule applies for Islam, as a religion islam NEVER teaches violence, there are few mongrels who steal the name of Islam and indulge in terrorism…
I can put this more simple than this.. trying to make you understand.
shuaib68 : Srinivas, you have nothing in your arguments but just rants against the entire muslim world. All you know about terrorism is just Muslim groups doing the killings and destruction and you hold the entire Muslim world, the Quran, Muhammad, Shariah and everything responsible for these acts.
When I write …I support my statements with examples /facts …when in doubt …I provide proof ..
Those who dont agree with me are WELCOME — But make a logical argument ..by countering my facts …with facts of course …which are relevant to the issue
Those who are unable to do so …will always say …HE RAVES / RANTS …this is a meaningless …..
WHY SHOULD I DISREGARD FACTS AND CONSIDER OPINIONS AS FACTS ??? …just to be politically correct or to be more acceptable in a group ???? …that’s what most do ….
Example : I can provide quotes along with Page nos and book version no to prove that “Quran, Muhammad, Shariah , Hadith , Sira etc ” preach Hatred against other religions – and that’s what drives Muslims”
Now people who cannot obviously disapprove/counter the quotes of Allah / Mohammed himself and all those who say Islam is a RELIGION OF PEACE will say – ” OH SRINIVAS RAVES/ RANTS / ONE MORE OF HIS PIECES / HE IS A KNOW ANTI_MUSLIM / THIS PROVES HE IS AGAINST ISLAM etc etc
Get this clear -these are not my quotes ..i am not Allah or Mohammed …I did not write Koran ….I am Srinivas
DONT COUNTER ME _ COUNTER WHAT I WRITE – GOT IT ??? – If you can ? …with facts
I will respond about Hamas/Israel conflict and Muslims in India with Links from the net to counter and prove my point with facts ….in a seperate post …give me some time …
People will know the kind of lies and propoganda preached by the Muslim world ….
I have one question for you sir – Since Jews are Human beings and one of the oldest races (Jesus was a Jew) …Can you tell …which is their land / country ??? …if not palestine
Joeantony : read my post written for shuaib68 ..and future post …..therein lies the answer ….
Joe Antony : I can put this more simple than this.. trying to make you understand.
Dont bother …about being Harsh …if that’s what you meant ….what is important is Truth should be told …and rather than questioning me …..question those sources which incite Muslims to take up violence ….
I will give you proof to the contrary …in a seperate post …..and as mentioned earlier ….they would be Allah / Mohammad’s word’s ….not my quotes ….so if at all you have to accuse somebody it has to be Allah / Mohammad and not me …
WHAT BELIEVERS DO is HOW RELIGION IS GENERALLY KNOWN … If you SAY …THEY CONSTITUE SOME AND NOT ALL OF THEM …..CONSIDERING THAT ….CHAMPIONS OF “ISLAM IS PEACE ” & ISLAM IS JIHAD … BOTH QUOTE THE SAME SOURCE …
Lets read those books which ALL REVERE …let the book say ..if it preaches violence or peace ….BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WILL SHAPE THE OPINION OF THE REMAINING PEACENIKS …..
Look at shuaib68 post – he says even though he has nothing to do with these acts ..he has to face the brunt for being a Muslim …in the same post he has expressed his support for HAMAS in many words … so what would you call him ???? …. Those FEW or the REMAINING PEACEFUL LOT …who support the actions of those few ??? – MODERATE MUSLIM ????
this is why he is facing the brunt – for supporting – not because he is a Muslim — Why his he supporting ???- because he is a Muslim – see that’s the point here …
shuaib68 – has quoted the American Law … Pls note the same American Law calls HAMAS as a Terrorist Group …
Is he going to accept the law of the land where he stays and maybe he is a citizen of …or is he going to stand up against his own country because of his religion and support HAMAS ???…see …this is the reason why Muslims bear the brunt ….
This happens all over the world — Because Islamic terrorism is there throughout the world and not limited to some parts
IS SRINIVAS THERE ANYWHERE IN THE PICTURE ????
one more thing ——-for both shuaib & Joe
Drawing parallels with other religions is futile …because they are reacting to Islamic Terrorism …they exist …because of you ..if Muslims go on killing …obviously there would be others who would retaliate and kill Muslims for thier Acts (not their Religion) …are you expecting others to give Islamic Terrorists a free run and keep holding the high moral ground ??….
RSS , VHP ,etc etc …are organisations who consists of people …who but for Islamic Terrorism …would have chosen a different path of life …
So Many Blasts across India …committed by Muslims ….One Malegaon and people have started ….”Hindu Terror” etc ….sorry do you expect to have a free run ??
PS : Wherever I have mentioned “YOU” – not to be taken at a personal level / individual – its represents the entire community
By the same token, what is it preventing you from calling the LTTE a terrorist organization by yourself? They have driven all the muslims from Jaffna territory, and the sinhalese, they entered into the villages and hacked them to death along with their famillies.
Do you think this a humane act? Not terrorism? Have you Been in SL and live there at least for 10 years to see what’s going on there?
Why you can’t call Babu Bajrangi as a terrorist?
All these guys are doing the same thing – Killing the innocents.
By your own standard, you are supporting terrorism by supporting these elements, for just being Hindus and Tamils. Then how can you hold others responsible for some others’ politics?
“SRINIVAS” (Jesus was a Jew) …Can you tell …which is their land / country ??? …if not palestine”
Jesus was not jew because his father was god himself, according to their belief. So, he should claim the whole universe. Not a small wreched place like Palestine. Was not Moses also of Jewish origin? So, Egypt should give it back to the Jews?
Americas belongs to the Red Indians, Australia to aborigines…….
SRINIVAS, I respect your concern. You seem to be a nice, kind hearted man, that’s why you are so furious to these events. These things have a grand design of the western countries with the support of regional countries of Middle East and Asian. It’s simply business for them. What they don’t like is a different opinion. That’s why they like people to parrot their sayings…Muslims are terrorists…Islam is Danger…But they would never say their designs are dangerous to others.
That’s why they bombed Hiroshima with a nuclear but not Hamburg in 1947. Do they concern about human beings???? Ask yourself.
If you’re with sound base for argument, who is RAM? was there anybody lived like it? Where is his army of Hanumans? Where is he living now? Where is his kingdom and administration based? Why can’t he come before you and me and solve the problem of his Ramjanambhoomi? Isn’t it because this all the killing is going on in India? Why hesitation?
If you go by this, there will be no end to arguments. Lastly, I respect you for being respectful to me as a person, but not as a Muslim. You have to rethink of your philosophy, cos something is really wrong in your concerns and your prejudices against the Muslims.
Muslims are a part of the humanity.
shuaib68 : If Indian govt. does something to a Pakistani or Kashmiri, and they react with violence as a revenge, me, living in a another country as a muslim is responsible for their acts. But, the Indian govt. or some group dominated by the Hindu group is not responsible for any atrocities. Even if that happens, the whole Hindu is community is not held responsible by the Muslims and even the Hindus will never accept they’re being held responsible for these acts. It’s not logical nor any sense.
My dear shuaib68 : Why are these blasts taking place in all parts of the country …say Bangalore / Jaipur / Delhi etc ….are they a part of Kashmir Sir ??? ….IT Companies in Bangalore are facing a terrorist threat? … Did the movers and shakers in Taj & Oberai kill Muslims ?
What did the terrorist say in the recent Mumbai attack …he spoke about Kashmir as being one of the causes ….
Hence BOSS – Muslims are targetting Hindus all over INDIA ….in all those states …where there is no conflict or probably a potential for conflict did not exist …..Muslims have ensured that everybody hates them now ….
The Mumbai riots started when Muslims burnt a Hindu Family in a Chawl ….for what ….for what happened in Ayodhya …then the riots started …. Muslims retaliated with Mumbai Blasts …. Blasts timed during NAMAZ TIME ….to minimise casualties of Muslims …were those killed in Blasts killed because they were Hindus ??? – YES …Did they go to UP and demolish the Mosque???…
The Blasts in Mumbai Local Trains in July 2006 in First Class Compartments ??? … did they take part in riots sir ???
This is precisely the difference between other groups and Islamic groups …. they widen the scope of conflict and take it at a religious level …target everybody …everywhere
When Genocide of Pandits in Kashmir happened ….Muslims across India were not targetted …they were not targetted even in Jammu where Hindus are in Majority …where Pandits came as refugees …..
TODAY WHEN I LOOK BACK …I FEEL THAT”S A MISTAKE …WE DID NOT EQUATE THE ACT WITH RELIGION AND HENCE DID NOT TARGET ALL …
As a result …every Muslim is a suspect …once upon a time only a Kashmiri Muslim was a suspect …others were not – I hope you get this now ….
Hi shuaib68 & Joeanthony ,
My First Post on Indian Muslims — I got many links ..finally chanced upon Wikipedia …which gives comphrensive info …so pasting that link here …
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Students_Islamic_Movement_of_India
Pls note : Year of Formation – 1977 (before Babri Sir)
Pls note : Stated Goals of the organisation
and Pls no usual statements about Babri , Gujarat , RSS etc ..this movement started much before so called Hindu terrorists did something …it would be more apt to say that it started after Partition and despite giving Pakistan ….they could have just gone to thier Islamic Paradise …rather than starting SIMI …but NO ..
What do supporters of SIMI say : I will explain that with the help of extracts from the article itself
1) SIMI President, Misbahul Islam along with the majority of SIMI members strongly opposes any armed conflict, believing such an approach to be against the interest of India and its citizens.
Now this can be used to prove that SIMI is actually a patrotic organisation .
2 ) However, some members, driven by emotional issues such as the demolition of the Babri Masjid, Gujarat riots and India’s growing friendship with the United States have advocated armed struggle against the Government of India.
Now this can be used to prove that Actually Hindutva groups are responsible …and SIMI is nothing but a bunch of Misguided Muslim Youth affected by Discrimination, Hindu terror .. etc etc
3 ) SIMI is the ‘liberation of India’ from Western materialistic cultural influence and to convert it into an Islamic society.
Omit the second part of the goal and SIMI can be described as a cultural Organisation which is nothing but some cultural group for Muslims …and they are being targetted because they are Muslims ….
4) Mulayam Singh Yadav, Former Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh and Lalu Prasad Yadav, Amar Singh, Former Chief Minister of Bihar, patriarch of vote bank politics withdrew proceedings against SIMI and said that it was not a terrorist organization in fear of losing the votes of uninformed and illiterate muslim (bank).[8].
Now omit the last part …so the CM’s ..SECULAR LEADERS are saying that SIMI is not a terrorist organisation …in other words the police , other parties (BJP) are communal …system is baised and what not …
The Point I am trying to drive home is very simple :
See and hear what is being said … not by people like me whom you accuse of being baised or a Muslim Hater …. BUT BY YOUR OWN PEOPLE ….Their speeches …STATED GOALS …..WRITTEN HATE MATERIAL etc ……Closing your eyes or selective hearing / quoting , intentionally twisting / omitting statements …..Pointing fingers at Hindutva forces or coining terms like Hindu Terror ….is not going to change facts ……
Apologists will tell you …FEW Muslims are enrolled in SIMI … FEW are Actually active MeMbers ??? — What about the rest ?? ..Supporters of these kind of people …that’s the sum of all Indian Muslims for you .. NOW YOU MAY NOT ACCEPT THIS PART OF MY STATEMENT ….
For Argument sake ..Lets accept that Muslims dont support these kind of organisations … What should they be doing or not doing in this case ????
Should they not accept facts and work towards helping the state in eradicating this meanance ??
Should they support these people as bunch of misguided youth ???
Should they provide donations to such Organisations ???
Should they use URDU MEDIA and Others also as a propoganda tool for these organisations ???
Should they provide Legal Help for these people when they are caught and they are quite proud about their achievements and vow to do the same if released ???
These Issues are so Important for the community that if the Ban is Lifted or the activists are released …they are welcomed as Hero’s ….the political party …which does so is preferred during elections ???
Now this is just one example … I can give many more ….the underlying point remains the same though …
Do we have Muslims who oppose such things ….yes ..they are told to shut up by others and then they either change stance or start parroting the same ….the point here is that out of 100 …you are looking at that 1 or 2 ….and others are looking at the remaining 98-99 ….BECAUSE WE ARE BEING TOLD THAT ONLY FEW MUSLIMS (MONGRELS) ARE HIJACKING ISLAM …. OTHERWISE THE REST ARE VERY GOOD ….
Now why does that one keep quite …because he does not get support from his own community …he is also labelled as anti-islam , Kafir etc …. BUT ARE MAJORITY NOT PEACE LOVING ????? …
shuaib68 :
Everytime I come out with facts …you point fingers at people from other religions …try to draw a parallel …forgetting that I have already replied to this ….
Then you went straight to Questioning Existence of God … totally irrelevant …to the topic ….
Jesus does not need any land …. Jews being Human Beings … PART OF SAME HUMANITY … need land …which one is theirs ????? ….Before formulating your reply ….Pls apply the same logic to Muslims of Palestine, SL and Kashmir also ……see if they would buy your logic …
Last but not the least ..What is this grand design ???? …everyday we hear something or the other …sometimes we have the misfortune of witnessing it …. some witness it daily ……I finds Islam and Muslims in every such event …it is precisely this self denial mode …which Muslims have to come out of and tackle the problem within the community
Shuaib68 : You have to rethink of your philosophy, cos something is really wrong in your concerns and your prejudices against the Muslims. Muslims are a part of the humanity.
I have already said ….. we are not ideology driven …it’s a reaction to Islamic Terrorism ….Let that end …I assure you that all prejudices will end …
Muslims are also a part of Humanity not the only ones …hopefully Humanity will survive their assault ..
SearchIndia.com Responds:
You write: I have already said ….. we are not ideology driven …it’s a reaction to Islamic Terrorism ….Let that end …I assure you that all prejudices will end
Now you are being naive.
Prejudices don’t end so easily once they take root. After 300 years, Blacks still face a lot of discrimination here in the U.S.
Once the evil genie is let out of the bottle, it’s difficult to put it back. This is true of any extremist element, be it Hindu, Muslim, Christian or Jewish.
A godless society is the ideal society (from the perspective of peace, waste of time and money… homam, palabhishekam & other nonsense). At least, with the vada-mala, you can eat it later 🙂
“Now you are being naive.
Prejudices don’t end so easily once they take root.”
Very true. I don’t think it will ever stop. It’s a vicious cycle that will keep repeating itself. It’s only natural, and I don’t think any humanitarian efforts are going to end discrimination completely. Delusional religious idiots who think peace and equality will prevail under GOD, ALLAH, PARAMATMA, or some ALIEN LIFE-FORM, are being deliberately “naive” to the fact their religion for is full of sub-sects, each one at loggerheads (not so much in Hinduism, currently) at each other. It is in our inherent nature to be tribal, and somehow religion thinks it can f**k with biology??
“After 300 years, Blacks still face a lot of discrimination here in the U.S.”
Don’t we also see a lot of Blacks discriminating against Whites too? Why else would words like “cracker” and “peckerwood” be accepted in the media and not “nappy headed ho’s”?
SRINIVAS
Kudos. You bring forth solid argument points. As for Shuaib68, he’s proven time and again to be a total apologist. Ironically, it’s he who rants when he is devoid of any logical rebuttals while accusing of ranting against Muslims. The guy just can’t argue.
Plus, is he equating Hamas’ role to the Indian freedom struggle? What a nut-job!!! Can someone ask him how many innocent British women and children were killed during our independence struggle, compared to innocent Jews getting bombed in malls and school buses. The only vivid malicious attack was the Chauri-Chaura incident in 1922, which was condemned by Gandhi, on a police-station (not unarmed citizens, really). If I re-call right, the victims were “desi hawaldars” and not some “gora officers.” Add to that the mistaken assassination of Saunders by Bhagat Singh and his friend, in retaliation to Lala Lajpat Rai’s death, you’d be really hard-pressed to find a single notable incident of overwhelming violence in the Indian independence struggle. Let’s also clarify that Netaji Bose declared war and fought one against the British. This is not the same as terrorist-style bombings. If only Hamas had the cojones to challenge the Israeli army in an act of war (like Gamal Nasser did), instead of cowardly attacking the Israeli citizens. I’m positive it’d find itself shtupped royally, just like Gamal Nasser did.
SearchIndia.com Responds:
1. You write above: It is in our inherent nature to be tribal
More like bestial.
2. You write: you’d be really hard-pressed to find a single notable incident of overwhelming violence in the Indian independence struggle
This is one of those what if statements – Maybe, if India had resorted to a violent struggle, at least a guerilla style attack, against the British, would we have won Independence earlier.
Much as we admire Gandhi and his long struggle, we also respect former President Abdul Kalam – Only Strength Respects Strength.
3. Let’s get real here…Black discrimination against Whites is insignificant and doesn’t make a whit of an impact. Or if we want to play with words, we’d say a white of an impact.
“More like bestial.”
We did evolve from apes. Plus, my point was that humans inherently form into groups of similar thinking, goals, and the like
“This is one of those what if statements – Maybe, if India had resorted to a violent struggle, at least a guerilla style attack, against the British, would we have won Independence earlier.”
I don’t mind a violent struggle, as long as it’s declaration of war. I wonder if you’re insinuating at something else.
Plus, would an earlier independence done anything worthwhile for us? Who knows if the country would’ve been handed over to an Islamic Caliphate (eeks!!) had we won it earlier? No thanks. I think some things happen for good.
“Much as we admire Gandhi and his long struggle, we also respect former President Abdul Kalam – Only Strength Respects Strength.”
Now you’re flip-flopping. APJ over Gandhi ANY DAY, IMO. Never really cared for the Father of the Nation, thanks to his ineptitude when it came to some key decision making.
“Let’s get real here…Black discrimination against Whites is insignificant and doesn’t make a whit of an impact. Or if we want to play with words, we’d say a white of an impact.”
Just because the media thinks it’s insignificant and doesn’t report it, it doesn’t change a damn thing. I’ve been noticing an upswing in black-on-white discrimination, be they non-violent or violent like rapes, murder, and beatings. Also, Blacks don’t help their cause by keeping the “N” word under circulation using “camaraderie” as an excuse. Truly, the word wouldn’t exist in American society today (save for some neck of the woods areas) if it wasn’t for its constant usage in hip-hop music and movies.
SearchIndia.com Responds:
1. You write: I don’t mind a violent struggle, as long as it’s declaration of war. I wonder if you’re insinuating at something else.
No hidden meanings there. Just a WYSIWYG what if statement.
2. No flip-flops either on Gandhi vis-a-vis Abdul Kalam (although unlike most people we don’t hold flip-flops to be inherently bad or consistency to be a great virtue).
That we all live only once is a truism. Still, some people like Gandhi decide to give their all so that others may live a better life.
You may question their modus operandi but it’s hard not to appreciate the sacrifice and the self-abnegating lives they lead.
Abdul Kalam, in our opinion, is a pragmatic soul well suited for the current unsettled times.
In any case, comparisons across time is hard. In our view, both (Gandhi & Kalam) are respect-worthy individuals.
Gandhiji was once asked …whether he felt India requires a Army considering that he beleives in Non-Violence
He said that there is a difference between Non-Violence and Cowardice ….His Non-Violence is a effective tool to achieve goals and not something wherein one should let himself be attacked ….and run over …or one should not defend himself in face of a assault …
So that sums it up ….
Refer what KPS GILL ( Punjab Cop ) / Arun Shourie said :
“Not an eye for an eye; but for an eye, both eyes. For a tooth, (the) whole jaw.â€
Non-Violence works with some …if you sit on a Hunger strike and the Govt pays attention …then it works …if nobody bothers and you die …then its time to think of other options …
You can light a candle and stand at the Wagah Border in Punjab ….you cannot do that at the LOC in Kashmir …there only gun works
SI: Now you are being naive. Prejudices don’t end so easily once they take root.
Yes .. maybe you are right …Let me put it this way …
1)It does get reduced over a period of time …since the provocations have ended ….
2)You can live seperately and hence peacefully …if you decide not to act upon your prejudices ..
Look at the other side now …take an example …
Most of the peaceniks in India as far as Pakistan are concerned are Punjabis ….those very same people …who suffered during partition and were raped / killed / kicked out because of thier religion …..
Therein lies the difference ….they are not thirsting for revenge …This is a result of inherent strength (AND WEAKNESS) of Hinduism .
Strength – Because life is about living … Example ..look at the state of Indian Economy …..
Pakistanis live to take revenge …if they had invested all that money in thier development …. things would have been different ..
Weakness : In face of continous assault …when you keep on parroting the same line ..instead of reacting with force …
A Muslim will say – I want revenge – Eye or a Eye
A Hindu will say – So what.. both sides suffered during partition ..we also killed ..they also killed …now we must get on with life …otherwise …the world will go blind etc etc
Now you will laugh at this —-
I strongly believe in non-violence ..
non-violence for me is not about having veg food (i dont eat eggs also) ….but …..non-violence being practised in words , deeds , thoughts etc etc …in all walks of life …
I make every effort to practice this …the sole exception is Muslims ..anti-nationals ..traitors etc
People like us just want to do that ….We are not interested in any revenge ….but these f****** are not allowing us to do that … We can get rid of our prejudices …but for these b******* ..
SI : A godless society is the ideal society (from the perspective of peace, waste of time and money… homam, palabhishekam & other nonsense). At least, with the vada-mala, you can eat it later
vada-mala (Prasadam) reminded me of my initiation to Religion ….
1)Though never been a atheist …my interest in religion can be compared to one …during my younger days ….this is what my mother used to say
2) I love Nai Payasam / Chakra Pongal very much …this led me to the society Ayyapan Temple… during those 40 days…prior to Sabarimala …there I became a volunteer …..distributing Donnai (leaf cups) and Prasadam at the end …they encouraged me to just say “Swamiye” – and they used to say Saranam Ayyappa — I loved that sound and the fact that I am being asked to say something .. Then of course the last day feast …
I understood that religion can also be interesting …
2) Every birthday …my mother used to send me to the Murugan Temple …to collect the Archanai (offerings)…which she had kept in my name …motivation for me ??? …if you keep a Rs 40 archana …you get Chakra Pongal …so i used to carry a Dabba to collect that …
One day I went during Shashti and sat for a discourse on Skanda Puranam …simply loved it … and then continued for the next 5 days ….
Today of course its Religion / God and then Prasadam (that never goes)
Credit goes to my Mother ..ayyapan and Murugan ….. BUT MAJOR CREDIT GOES TO CHAKRA PONGAL
SearchIndia.com Responds:
You write: I love Nai Payasam / Chakra Pongal very much …this led me to the society Ayyapan Temple
When we were growing up in Tamil Nadu, we used to go to the Sai Baba temple every Sunday evening for the Sundal, Chakra Pongal et al.
If only our local Hindu Temples in the U.S. serve hamburgers (beef), Chicken 65 or Lamb Vindaloo, we’d be glad to return there in a jiffy.
My Posting on Koran / Hadith / etc – PART 1
Time and again we see Islamic Terrorists giving all due credit to Islam – verses of Quran /Allah / Mohammad for all the Jihadi acts they indulge in. Simultaneously we also see Muslims who condemn such acts , do so by quoting the very same sources. This contradiction has been explained below.
The number of so called indoctrinated youth who seem to have all the priviledge in the world to misunderstand “Islam – The Religion of Peace” till perpetuity, keeps on growing day by day. Strangely everybody does so after reading Islamic texts …. This is like saying “I am violent because I am a follower of Gandhiji ”
Verses …. This will serve as a eye-opener in terms of understanding what motivates people to commit such acts. And also why so called peaceniks will never prevail or win over the violent ones.
Imp Principle to be understood:
Critically important principle of Quranic interpretation known as “abrogation.” The principle of abrogation — al-naskh wa al-mansukh (the abrogating and the abrogated) — directs that verses revealed later in Muhammad’s career “abrogate” — i.e., cancel and replace — earlier ones whose instructions they may contradict. Thus, passages revealed later in Muhammad’s career, in Medina, overrule passages revealed earlier, in Mecca. The Quran itself lays out the principle of abrogation:
Quote –
2:106. Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We {Allah} abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allah is able to do all things?
Now the peace verses revealed in Mecca :
109:2. “I worship not that which you worship,
109:3. “Nor will you worship that which I worship.
109:4. “And I shall not worship that which you are worshipping.
109:5. “Nor will you worship that which I worship.
109:6. “To you be your religion, and to me my religion (Islamic Monotheism).”
REMEMBER THE PRINCIPLE OF abrogation
Now verses in Medina … which spew venom and cancel the above …..something which we see in action today …there are many many many …i am pasting only a few of them :
1) “Verse of the Sword”, revealed toward the end of Muhammad’s life:
9:5. Then when the Sacred Months (the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun {unbelievers} wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat {the Islamic ritual prayers}), and give Zakat {alms}, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Having been revealed later in Muhammad’s life than 50:45, 109, and 2:256, the Verse of the Sword abrogates their peaceful injunctions
Now even this is twisted by Apologists ..omit everything and quote only the last line “Verily , Allah is Oft-Forgiving , Most Merciful.” — this means see Allah also forgives his enemies …this is what our religion teaches — What about the conditions for forgiveness ?????
2) 8:39. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.
3) 9:29. Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
9:33. It is He {Allah} Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) hate (it).
4) Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177; Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour {of the Last Judgment} will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”
It is from such warlike pronouncements as these that Islamic scholarship divides the world into dar al-Islam (the House of Islam, i.e., those nations who have submitted to Allah) and dar al-harb (the House of War, i.e., those who have not). It is this dispensation that the world lived under in Muhammad’s time and that it lives under today. Then as now, Islam’s message to the unbelieving world is the same: submit or be conquered.
“ALLAH / KORAN / MOHAMMAD HAS NEVER PREACHED VIOLENCE”
– is that so ???
Stock Reply : Oh we know that guy is a anti-muslim …so what’s new ?
Have I not – also written about the peaceful verses in Mecca …or have i Ommitted , Twisted and ….lied like Muslims ???
GET THE BOOKS AND REFER TO THE VERSES MENTIONED BY REFERRING TO THE POINTS – (9.33 , 9.29 etc) …show me if there is something else ….which is different …then talk ???
The Books overwhelmingly preach violence and hatred against all other religions / faiths ….and lays down ways and methods of WAR – Fighting / Subjugating / Treatment of prisoners / Women Captives / etc etc …
Rules are different for a Muslim and a Non-Muslim ….
Saudi Laws are the best example …..nothing but Sharia … take just one example ….. A Muslim’s witness carries more weightage than a non-Muslim ….is this a result of some jerk framing the constitution …. NO …NO ….They are only following Sharia ….and that’s what it says ..
Pick up the Saudi Constitution
SRINIVAS (and StrYngLad74), you may or may not see this post.. but here are my apologies for calling your paranoid! (I used to be Skjoldbjærg then),, it took SI-tonic verses to make me understand how stupid Islam is!
SRINIVAS, which part of TN are you from.. I thought that Hindus and Muslims co-existed peacefully in TN. I (born Hindu, but now an atheist) had several good Muslim friends when I was in TN (over a decade ago).. I don’t think the situation has deteriorated in TN. You seem to be too paranoid.
Skjoldbjærg :
I am from Mumbai ….though that has nothing to do with my thoughts …i read a lot and track things on a regular basis ….
this is not a Hindu or a Tamilian speaking …I am a Indian first … I would have had the same thoughts even if Ihad been in TN … because these come from extensive reading and tracking these things …its a interest and habit …also I believe ….since we are living in a democracy …imp to know …helps in choosing our leaders and hence our future …
Democracy is good ..if you know …how to use it …most of us dont know …because we dont bother to gather info and find out …equip ourselves with knowledge
Since you referred to TN & good relations betn Hindus and Muslims …Read the news in the below link ….
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.culture.indian/2008-04/msg00238.html
“Dr. Subramanian swamy says: I had visited Thondi and Rasathipuram Municipalities of Ramanathapuram and Vellore districts respectively, and was truly shocked by what I saw. Both these municipalities are in Muslim-majority areas, and the local bodies election had empowered the Muslims with their capture of the municipalities.
The Muslim-ruled municipalities have thereafter converted these areas into mini Dar-ul-Islams, in a Hindustan of 83 per cent Hindus! The minority Hindu areas of the municipality were thus denied civic amenities, funds for schools, garbage clearing etc., and sent notices in Urdu. Hindus were bluntly told convert to Islam if they wanted civic facilities.
Muslims send notices in Urdu to Hindus in Tamil Nadu”..
I could not believe that in South India this was possible where Hindus are actually above national average at 90 per cent of the population.I know that in Kashmir Valley, Muslims who are in majority have
actively or passively connived in driving out half a million Hindus out of their homes and made them refugees in their own country.
Temples have been demolished in the Valley on a daily basis. The world could not care less.”
See …one mosque …Babri …and they raise a hue and cry … we have lost count of no of temples demolished …
I will tell you what …you cannot close your eyes to all which is happening ..pretend as if nothing is happening …or console by saying …oh its that part of the country …not at other places ….its a CANCER …which is spreading fast …and needs to be arrested …
You will come across many articles / views – some of them ..you may not agree ..you may feel the author represents a particular ideology and hence is bound to speak in that way ….or probably your ideology does not allow you ???
The solution is pretty simple …do some research …find out on your own …my above post about Islamic texts is an example …you see many things on the TV – LIVE ..Visit all those websites run by these terrorists groups …those You Tube Videos .. Those Blogs — Indianmuslims.in ….now these are places where you will come across common people voicing thier thoughts …opinion …and then things will be pretty clear ……….What an average Muslim thinks is best reflected in these forums ……
Its not just ANTI-HINDU ….its also ANTI-INDIA
LAST BUT NOT THE LEAST … FACTS ARE FACTS …THEY DONT CHANGE BECAUSE WE SUBSCRIBE TO A PARTICULAR IDEOLOGY …
In a lighter vein – You may not get to remain as a atheist for long and speak freely about it …if you remain in a Islamic Paradise
Islam is not peace …Its Intolerance
SI : If only our local Hindu Temples in the U.S. serve hamburgers (beef), Chicken 65 or Lamb Vindaloo, we’d be glad to return there in a jiffy.
I am not sure …but I have heard …that in many Tribal areas …non-veg is served in Temples …Also temples in Bali in Indonesia does that ….Muslim Influence
May not happen in US ….unless you all become Tribals or atleast develop those instincts …
http://books.google.com/books?id=RZqjaxHV6o4C&pg=PA60&lpg=PA60&dq=muneeswaran+chicken&source=bl&ots=w7KVUBvagc&sig=HEUx8zbg5E9iV6CbuOo-ceECCTc&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result
Muneeswaran Rocks.. he drinks Saarayam, smokes Suruttu and eats chicken Briyani..
SI, Not sure if this guy is still around..
http://indiablogs.searchindia.com/2008/08/07/fox-5-screws-atlanta-hindu-swami
Did you call him up again? What’s on the menu now.
SearchIndia.com Responds:
1. You write: Muneeswaran Rocks.. he drinks Saarayam, smokes Suruttu and eats chicken Briyani..
No, No. That is Munadian/Munodian (the Kaaval Deivam) who does all that..
We wonder if there are some gods that like Nayanthara and Trisha. Otherwise, how can you explain their longevity in Kollywood.
2. No, we didn’t talk to the Atlanta Swami again.
Crunch -crunch…Nothing like munching on some Mirch Masala Boondi & Udupi Kara Sev & sipping Stash Lemon Ginger Herbal Tea while blogging.
This is what Hinduism says about veg/non-veg food —
Meat is not always prohibited in the Laws of Manu but they declare that ‘no sin is attached to eating flesh… but abstinence… bears greater fruits’
In Vedas food is acknowledged with the rudiments of the earth. The Prasna Upanishad identifies food with the Lord of Creation. According to Manu, “Food that is always worshipped gives strength and manly vigor but eaten irreverently, it destroys them both.â€
Food should be eaten in religious attitude for the purpose survival and giving strength to the body to practice self control and austerities, but not for the sake of pleasure. This is the concept behind Hindu Food.
Hindu Food and Vegetarianism
According to Hinduism “You are what you eat†is a concept behind a man and his food habits as it decides our mental growth as well as physical growth and well being. Eating food by killing animals is said to block mental and spiritual growth. This is the reason why Hinduism emphasizes on vegetarianism. Another reason it believes that killing innocent and helpless animals for the purpose of food is a bad karma that brings harmful consequences not only to the man who is eating but to the entire planet.
You see nothing as such is explicitly prohibited …but benefits / bad effects are told …. it is very much contexual in nature ……you are informed and then given a choice ….
the result is there for all to see …
SearchIndia.com Responds:
1. You write: Eating food by killing animals is said to block mental and spiritual growth
Now, if only we could wean ourselves away from our love for Hot Sausage with onions and green pepper & mustard & tomato sauce on top.
We were mostly vegetarians in India but after coming here we now eat anything that moves on the earth, flies in the air, swims in the water.
One of these days, we’ll get back to our vegetarian roots.
Maybe, we’ll go to Kashi and renounce all meat.
2. You write: Food should be eaten in religious attitude for the purpose survival and giving strength to the body to practice self control and austerities, but not for the sake of pleasure. This is the concept behind Hindu Food.
Like most things with Hinduism, this is followed more in the breach than in the observance.