(Thanks to terraferrous…yes, we made a reference to this piece in the comments section but this is too hilarious not to merit a separate post)
India’s numero uno Hindu clowns, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), the self-styled protectors of the country’s 828 million cow-worshippers, is threatenening to unleash a new Cow-ca-Cola (cow piss fortified with ayurvedic herbs) as a healthy alternative to carbonated drinks.
Here’s an excerpt from the London Times:
Does your Pepsi lack pep? Is your Coke not the real thing? India’s Hindu nationalist movement apparently has the answer: a new soft drink made from cow urine.
The bovine brew is in the final stages of development by the Cow Protection Department of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), India’s biggest and oldest Hindu nationalist group, according to the man who makes it.
Om Prakash, the head of the department, said the drink called “gau jal”, or “cow water” in Sanskrit was undergoing laboratory tests and would be launched “very soon, maybe by the end of this year”.
“Don’t worry, it won’t smell like urine and will be tasty too,” he told The Times from his headquarters in Hardwar, one of four holy cities on the River Ganges. “Its USP will be that it’s going to be very healthy. It won’t be like carbonated drinks and would be devoid of any toxins.”
The drink is the latest attempt by the RSS, which was founded in 1925 and now claims eight million members, to cleanse India of foreign influence and promote its ideology of Hindutva, or Hindu-ness.
Wonder what the Muslims and Christians in India will come up with to counter the Hindu Cow-ca-Cola.
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The first inaugural glass should be given to Pramod Muthalik. He is a “true” indian and hence should get this true taste of India. I do hope that the RSS supported BJP will welcome their foreign investors and dignitaries with this wonderful welcome drink.
In one of your recent posts, you wrote that we should have female police officers in the police station. In a state like UP this will turn more dangerous. These ladies will also be used to the core, just like the toys that lions or tigers have in their cages for time-pass. I am sure it is not being said openly but these women cops too would have been sexually harrased more than once.
SearchIndia.com Responds:
1. You write above: The first inaugural glass should be given to Pramod Muthalik
Why deprive Advani, Rajnath, Narendra Modi and other senior BJP leaders of the ‘good’ things of life.
2. True, as you say women cops too may get sexploited. In India, there are no easy answers to any problem. Everything there is so friggin complicated.
chk this out…http://www.nitharifacts.com/
SearchIndia.com Responds:
A tragedy but one among countless daily tragedies in India.
If A.L.Basham were alive, he’d probably put out a new book titled The Tragedy that is India.
Cow-ca-cola … thats brilliant naming… hilarious. Its really good and the goons might steal it for real, be ready for a copyright fight. 🙂
BJP is actually is not very serious about hindutva, they are just using it and the monkey parivars for election works. They would dump them once (if at all) they get in to power as they did in the past.
SearchIndia.com Responds:
You write above: BJP is actually is not very serious about hindutva
The answer is complicated.
We think it’s both Yes and No. The RSS wing and the militant semi-literate folks in the cow-belt are adamant about the Ram Rajya nonsense.
But there’s also a strong money-grabbing, politics-as-usual element in BJP that we saw in the Tehelka sting tapes.
Natural ….whether medicines / Organic food / Herbal products / Cow / Vibhuti ….. etc etc ……will / should …. be welcomed
Benefits are there for all to see …..Science then starts researching and confirms that indeed it is so ….then corporates get in to it …….and then it achieves a brand name /respectability …..,market share follows ………all those who oppose it …also start welcoming it ….
Take Chavanprash ….People used to make fun …..then came Dabur Chavanprash ….
Religion / Tradition / Politics apart …. Benefits of …Cow ..products ….cannot be denied ..
SearchIndia.com Responds:
You write above: Natural ….whether medicines / Organic food / Herbal products / Cow / Vibhuti ….. etc etc ……will / should …. be welcomed Benefits are there for all to see
Since we can’t see you from afar and since you are cloyingly extolling the virtues of natural/organic products, our readers would like know if Cow-ca-Cola is part of your ‘natural’ diet.
Is Cow-ca-Cola the reason why the BJP nuts behave in a weird way when it comes to Muslims (as you probably know, when a group of people behaves in a strange way, people attribute it to something in the water they drink). If the RSS/BJP nuts are drinking Cow-ca-Cola, then maybe the culprit lies there.
Personally, we think drinking even cow’s milk is not advisable (if you want to know why, Google: Is Milk Harmful?).
We stopped milk completely a few years back & now drink Stash Lemon-Ginger Tea mostly and occasionally Starbucks Coffee.
the alternative to BJP is :
congress : I can think of only three capable people here …Manmohan / Chidambaram / Kamal Nath ….out of which Manmohan failed as a PM ….so in reality we have people for only two positions
1) FM – Manmohan or Chidambaram
2) Commerce – Kamal NAth
Everbody else is capable in a diff sense ….playing the caste card / writing good speeches /giving good sound bytes to the media ….corruption etc etc
Third Front / Left : Sole intention to capture power by hook or crook … Look at the condition of all those states where these great leaders were / are in power ….Mulayam / Mayawati (Uttar Pradesh) …. Laloo (bihar) …West Bengal / Kerala / Tripura ( Left Front)..
Now take the BJP :
Advani
Sushma Swaraj
Jaitely
Jaswant Singh
Yashwant Sinha
Arun Shourie
Murli Manohar Joshi
Rajnath Singh
Educated Middle class Professionals / Industry … supports the BJP …
What we need is not secularism / Social Justice Bullshit …we need development …create jobs ….social justice will be taken care off …. that needs people who have the ability to perform …..
How they finally perform is a diff question ….with respect to other parties …..their performance is a foregone conclusion ..
Srinivas : how dare you missed Mr.Gujarath there in your list?
btw, this is the fate of the nation, you got to choose between a ununited bunch of corrupt politicans and a well organised aspirant party supported by Indian Talibans.
See what happened in swat recently the pak govt has kneeled before the Talibans, same could happen here, RSS might want to first announce the cow-ca-cola as national drink, demolish women colleges, and may be changing the national anthem from bengali to sanskrit etc.
Joeantony :
how dare you missed Mr.Gujarath there in your list?
Modi is not in the list …..because we are talking about Central Govt elections – Lok Sabha …..
Indian Talibans —
this whole thing about Hindutva is hyped …. the fact is whatever BJP does ….it will not be compulsory for minorities …..they will have a option ….
the problem is people have to realise that India is a birth place of Hinduism (includes Buddhism , Sikhism , Jainism) …..so others cannot object to Hindus practising thier own religion …..
if its thrust / forced upon minorites …they can object and I will support that ….India is not a Islamic country like Saudi Arabia …
Lets take an example :
Saraswati Vandana in schools ….the option exists for Muslims to not sing the prayer ….. to say that nobody including us …. should not sing …in the name of secularism ….is not acceptable ….
If Indic Religions are not practised in India ….where will they be practised ? ….
Minorities / Secularists are not Secular in the true sense …..they are either ANTI-Hindu , Aethist OR rabidly communal ….
People have all sorts of objections …there are temples in some police stations …they find that out and start objecting ….there are pictures of Gods in some walls in Govt buildings ….they object to that …this secularism has gone to this extent of picking up on trivial issues ….
What is the response to this ?…equally stupid ….In Kashmir there are mosques attached to Police stations …govt will start hanging photos of gods of al religions …..then some f***** muslim will say ….Allah cannot be depicted …that’s unislamic ….so then people will debate these things ….
The whole standard of Public debate has come down …. Just like Search India …..
joe anthony – demolish women colleges, and may be changing the national anthem from bengali to sanskrit etc.
any of these things done during the last 5 year rule of BJP ? Or in any of the states where its ruling
SearchIndia.com Responds:
1. You write above: The whole standard of Public debate has come down
When rabidly communal elements like you get a pulpit, it’s but natural that the standard of any debate (public or private) crashes into the gutter.
2. You write: Saraswati Vandana in schools ….the option exists for Muslims to not sing the prayer …..
Any kind of religious nonsense should be banned in schools.
Even if the minorities have an option not to participate, the whole process can be traumatic on tender minds because of conflicting elements like parental pressure, peer pressure, teachers’ outlook et al.
In any case, only idiots believe in all that fiction about Ram, Robert or Rahim.
Religion is for suckers and dolts.
Srinivas : first of all who is BJP and RSS to take ownership of hindu religion? They actually are poking their noses in to hinduism and hindus, who are they to tell how a hindu girl should behave, walk and talk.
In karnataka bunch of goons are telling if a hindu girl is seen with a muslim boy they will be punished instantaneously, they are making statements like this authoratativly because BJP is backing them, simple.
so down the line, these thalibans will tell, hindu girls should not study more that 5th grade, they should not laugh loud etc. What I am trying to say is BJP and RSS are not enemies to other religions but to Hinduism only.
They use hinduthva for scoring votes and then dump them.
My view on religion is… it has to be kept like a underwear .. you shold not wear it on your head.
SearchIndia.com Responds:
You write above: My view on religion is… it has to be kept like a underwear .. you shold not wear it on your head.
Srinivas will have a hard time countering the above line.
Srinivas : If Indic Religions are not practised in India ….where will they be practised ? ….
Choice of religion is personal, if a hindu wants to get converted to xtian its his/her wish, personally they like the other one than hinduism, BJP wants to stop that? this is poking nose in to personal life again.
This is why I am saying BJP and RSS are enemies to hindus not to others.
SearchIndia.com Responds:
You write above: Choice of religion is personal, if a hindu wants to get converted to xtian its his/her wish, personally they like the other one than hinduism, BJP wants to stop that?
Proselytization is a hard subject to address.
If it’s banned, the poor would have little hope (and besides where would idiots like the Haryana Hindu politician Chander Mohan a.k.a. Chand Mohammed go 😉 ). If it’s allowed, it often leads to violence.
Every conversion is a harsh indictment of Indian society for failing to address the most basic requirements of the poor.
Ideally, all this religious nonsense should be banned. The Rama-Sita story is as much a silly fable as the Jesus was born of a virgin nonsense.
SI & Joeanthony —
What we want or believe is a opinion / personal view …..different from what the country wants / needs ….policies are formed taking into account how /what the people want ….
In this case …undeniable fact ….religion is very much a integral part of our lives ….
So SI may advocate atheism ….but that’s a personal choice and cannot be made into a state policy …Even in states like TN and Left ruled states ….religion rules ….so that’s not practical …
Joe anthony :They actually are poking their noses in to hinduism and hindus – Karnataka – Valentine day
I have already responded to this …society consists of all sorts of people ….conservative, so called progressive ….go to a upper class (elite) area and kiss in public ….nobody will blink a eye …do it in other places ….people may object ………we are not living in a jungle or in a isolated cell …so that must be understood ….society will change for the good and for the worse also …certain norms have to be followed …..the best thing is that there is a place for everything …..
Joeanthony :My view on religion is… it has to be kept like a underwear .. you shold not wear it on your head.
the fact is god is everywhere in some form or the other …. somebody had said that Religion is personal …keep it at home …dont have overt display of religious symbols …. now answer this ??
1) Temples / Mosques / Churches etc etc are right there in so called public spaces
2) Temple festivals / Christmas carols / Namaaz etc are done right on roads …
3) Sikhs wear Turbans – Traditional dress is a giveaway of your identity …70 % of this country lives in villages …so identity is known ..
4) Your Lingo / dialect / Skin color etc etc also is a giveaway …
So the fact is its not possible to wear it as a underwear …even if you want to ….see the name joeanthony tells me that you are a christian …can we have names like 1..2 ..3 etc …so these statements are repeated ….because ..maybe you heard it somewhere …. not practical ….opinion yes …but will always remain so …
I will address conversion in a seperate post with links ….take it positively ……..my views on Muslims are well known ……. I dont have the same opinion about christians ….since its not a Homogeneous community …there are some bad apples ….most of them are good ..BJP’s ire is directed towards those bad elements ….
Joeanthony : This is why I am saying BJP and RSS are enemies to hindus not to others.
Hinduism biggest weakness and strength is diversity ….uniformity is impossible …so there is nothing which anybody can do …..
Lets take a simple example : In other communities …there will be a call for boycott and everybody will fall in line …dissent is viewed very seriously …..now what was the reaction to Valentine day views of BJP ……Some people decided to send a Pink Chaddi ….i dont support this ….but that’s the freedom we enjoy …..Imagine somebody doing this to a father or a Mullah ? …
SI : Srinivas will have a hard time countering the above line.
I will counter all that which is not factually correct …opinion is ok …its your right ….you are free to disagree with a opinion …….but that should not be passed on as facts or reality …
SearchIndia.com Responds:
Yes, Hinduism is polytheistic, literally and figuratively (different strands of thought).
S.I. : as the Jesus was born of a virgin nonsense.
this is an outcome of the thought process of assuming having sex itself is a sin. So a baby is assumed to have a sin on birth itself. So in order to free jesus from sin of any kind they might have told the above I think. Same with defending that Jesus was not married or never had sex etc, outcome of thinking sex itself is sin.
btw, hinduism also has another issue is, no one can covert in to a hindu, its more a racial one like the jews. Amidts of all this, ratio of hindus in indian population is growing where as xtians are reducing… and that is the fact the hindu extremists should learn first .
joeanthony : hindus in indian population is growing where as xtians are reducing… and that is the fact the hindu extremists should learn first .
Why count ? … because that’s the reason why conversions take place …increase your count ….its not just btw two religions ….also within a religion ….
Catholic vs Non-Catholic groups ….Methodist and so on and so forth …. anyway i will share more info about this with appropriate links ….that will show that its not as simple as opposing a valentine day ….that’s only symbolic ..
Joe Anthony / Search India — Christians
First of my links – article written by a French –
http://francoisgautier.wordpress.com/2008/11/01/the-hindu-rate-of-wrath/
Goa –
http://web-archive-collection.blogspot.com/2009/02/mho-idol-desecration-in-goa-hindus-wake.html
Tripura – Ethnic cleansing by Christians – What the Sangh Parivar says is not mere propaganda – but truth ..
Matthew 10:34 – “I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword”
http://canterburyatheists.blogspot.com/2008/11/christian-terrorism-cultural-genocide.html
Three years ago, a violent situation had developed when some people tried to set up an image of Christ in Bethelingchip highest peak of Tripura where a Sivalinga had been in place for the last 100 years.
http://www.articlearchives.com/society-social-assistance-lifestyle/religion-spirituality/1794430-1.html
http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/aug/02trip.htm
Tribal Hindus in Tripura have formed vigilante groups to thwart attempts by separatist militants to convert people to Christianity at gunpoint, community leaders said on Thursday.
I will come back with some more ….
SearchIndia.com Responds:
1. As we’ve said ad nauseum ad infinitum, all of this God stuff is nonsense meant for idiots with lots of time and money to waste.
2. We’ve read posts made by Gautier – the first link in your comment – earlier (either you or someone else posted a link here a few months back).
His views are on the extreme, sees nothing but good in Hinduism or the people of ‘Hindustan.’ There’s no sense of proportion or balance in his writing.
One more link …..
http://christianwatchindia.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/orissa-freedom-of-religion-act-the-christian-conversion-debate/
SI : We’ve read posts made by Gautier. His views are on the extreme
I dont agree …..but ….That’s besides the point …since you will find many raving and ranting against Hindutva …as if that’s Islam …..and very few who actually say otherwise ….in that sense he acts as a balance …
In every article there will be references to Incidents (maybe facts) and then a opinion ….Read the references ….verify to see if they are facts and form your own opinion ….as simple as that …
When faced with facts ….a christian unlike a Muslim …will not deny it outright ….he will say the following :
1) they are not catholics ….some other / small denominations are doing this things ….even we face problems with them ….
Why then do you support such wrong people????? —
the fact is this conversion is about increasing numbers …religion on the whole AND also a particular denomination within the religion …everybody does it ..including catholics ..
2) Look at our population / growth rate …why are you afraid ? – Numbers again !!!!….Can the same logic – less no of attacks on christians – be used by others?are
3) its for the police / law to punish people and not Sangh Parivar ? — Obviously not the job of the father / community who support such people.. to take some initiatives …considering that its their preaching which drives these people to believe that “Only if you are a Catholic – you will go to Heaven ” ….so they are out to reform the society ….spread gospel / Jesus’s teachings etc …by hook or by crook ….its not the ordinary christian ….but those associated with the Church ….so obviously its for those fathers to control and put an end to this — IF THEY WANT TO ?
4)consitution guarantees us the freedom to preach / convert
Constitution guarantees the right to preach , …ensure that public harmony is not disturbed …so … (within your own flock – considering the sensitivities involved) ….Conversion ….NO ….Not by fraudlent means ….Not at Gunpoint ??? ….
5) usual stuff like …..communal forces etc etc …
The outrage / Publicity reserved for Incidents like Valentine day , Godhra etc should also be reserved for Tripura / KAshmir etc ….only then secularism in its true spirit can survive and prosper …
Now something diff
Christianity V/S – Islam / Sikh ? –
How they react – other minorities as well as so called Secularist/ Aethists / …do they apply the same yardstick ?????
http://www.sikhnet.com/news/christian-conversions-punjab-battleground-anew
HP’s step to check conversions irks churches
Investigative story in Indian express said that the conversion of Muslims in Kashmir to Christianity is by paying Rs 12000 per month, plus perks. …
http://www.expressindia.com/messages.php?newsid=81131 – 35k –
Stories they don’t want told
The Indian state of Jammu & Kashmir is witnessing a “discreet” spurt in conversion to Christianity. The number of converts are over 10000 …
http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/apr/28varsha.htm – 38k –
Kashmir’s Muttehida Majlis Ulema (United Committee of Scholars) today said that the issue of conversion in the Kashmir Valley was under investigation. …
http://www.hinduonnet.com/2003/05/14/stories/2003051403131200.htm –
http://offstumped.nationalinterest.in/2008/08/30/gandhi-on-proselytism/
Very rarely does such news get printed in our secular media and our secularists obviously keep quite …pretending as if nothing is happening …the otherwise hyperactive minorities commission for a change will support the majority (muslims) in KAshmir …and Christians ….hardly protest ….they dont even whimper
SearchIndia.com Responds:
We’ve read the various pieces. Thanks.
Joeanthony — Where are you ? –hope he is reading this post ….otherwise pls inform him ….
I would like to end this by saying a simple thing ….
Follow the path of Dharma – Righteousness–
This is not possible if you decide on what is right / What to support …..taking into account your religion ….hence support everything that a Christian/Muslim does .. try to defend that by highlighting what is essentially a reaction to these events ??
SearchIndia.com Responds:
All religion is puerile nonsense.
But mankind is probably not going to come to its senses anytime soon.
Srinivas :
you are wasting your energy in proving nothing…the gun point conversion is a real comedy to me, I dont beleive it… when the maoist killed a extremist in orrissa, RSS used it to provoke violance against xtians, even after the maoists have accepted the killing the wrath continued. forceful conversion? yes it did happen in the name of ‘ghar vapsi’ … forget the individual incidents both of us really DONT know what is really happened on those occasions…
simple fact… do you know how many millions are being educated by xtian institutions everyyear.. if all of them are forcefully ( 🙂 ) converted to christianity… indian population would have been christian majority… so it’s not making any sense.
btw, religion – underware – yes – the name need not tell your religion … AR Rahman was a hindu before … of course with the same name… I can convert to islam and still have the same name… in US people ask their close friends ‘are you religious?’ … that means he never knew if the other one is religious forget the fact of identifying which religion…
so my point is religion is personal choice, an individual can make his choice, no one should poke nose ..
At a fundamental level if you ask people (any religion) – they will say ….
All Religions are one – they preach the same thing – Peace , Love mankind …..all that cock and bull stories is for people who have no idea about other religions
God is one
So on and so forth ….
Except for Hindus and Other Indic religions like Jainism / Sikhism / Buddhism ….for other religions ….this statement is not true ….since thier books preach violence …..they tell them that their religion is the only true religion and others are pagans , infidels …
So ….Books cannot be changed ….But people can use thier discretion in what to practice and what not to ….and move according to times ? …. realise that to co-exist ….in peace …..that’s imperative
@ Joe Antony:
Srinivas :
you are wasting your energy in proving nothing…the gun point conversion is a real comedy to me, I dont beleive it…
Have a open mind …..Try and believe – contracdictory news ….otherwise do some googling …verify facts ….you would know ….If you still are not convinced …..check for IRA …Christian Right Wing …..
Yes I know people like me are wasting our energy …that’s evident
Joe Anthony :do you know how many millions are being educated by xtian institutions everyyear..
How many millions are educated by Non-Christian Institutions ….which far outnumber convents ??? ….that’s not the point ….neither does that justify fradulent conversions ??? ….
Joe anthony :if all of them are forcefully ( ) converted to christianity… indian population would have been christian majority…
Numbers again !!!! …that’s precisely the aim …HARVESTING SOULS
that’s also a reason why violence against Xtians is not widespread as Muslims ….i have already said …there are a few bad apples ….but thier numbers seem to be increasing
Joe Anthony : maoists have accepted the killing
Maoists recruits come mainly from christians ….supported by church and foreign funds …..Maoists who were Hindus broke away on this religion issue ….do some googling ….
come to think of it …Why would a Maoist kill a 80 years old man …considering that the Swami was liked by all and involved in social work ??
Joe Anthony : ‘ghar vapsi’
Reconversion of a converted Hindus by force is wrong ….they have learnt it from Xtians …but such cases are few in number …neverthless Xtians who converted them by fraudlent means should not cry ….its internal to the Hindu Community ….I will quote my friend JoeAnthony – “so my point is religion is personal choice, an individual can make his choice, no one should poke nose ” ….hope father agrees with you ?? …the kind of regulation which the church enforces ??
Joe Anthony : forget the individual incidents both of us really DONT know what is really happened on those occasions…
This is one more point which is said …when faced with facts ….you claim ignorance ….without knowing anything ….you go on and on about Sangh Parivar , Hindu religion , Hindus ???? …..so all those posts of yours are ???
My friend ….things dont change ….because u dont want to accept facts …these are the root causes for the violence ….and by remaining in a denial mode …nothing will change
Dilip Sekar became AR Rahman ….i am not referring to exceptions …nor to converts ….who may retain the same name ….general population can be identified ….by many things …
I liked the way Srinivas came up with the ‘standard of public debate has gone down, including that of SI’ line. It came out of the blue and caught SI by surprise, forcing him to go on the ‘rabidly communal’ offensive against Srinivas 🙂
I thought Srinivas did an excellent job of defending his point of view.
@SI
The Hindus are sensitive about their religion because for many of them the spiritual is as real as the keyboard and computer is real for you. And Ram is not a mere character in a story for them. For those who have experience of it, Ram is a word with infinite potentialities and possibilities. You’ll get a hint (and mind you this is only a hint when compared to the real thing) of it in this hymn by a Tamil saint:
Nanmayum selvamum naalum nalgumey
Thinmayum paavamum sidainthu theyumey
Janmamum maranamum inri theerumey
Inmaye Rama enra irandezhuthinaaley
So there is more to life than “you live, you die”, brother SI! It’s a matter of exploring the spiritual with as much interest and flair as you explore the gross on this website 🙂
SearchIndia.com Responds:
1. You write: I liked the way Srinivas came up with the ’standard of public debate has gone down, including that of SI’ line. It came out of the blue and caught SI by surprise
Srinivas is a confused soul, unsure whether to love us or hate us!
2. You write: The Hindus are sensitive about their religion because for many of them the spiritual is as real as the keyboard and computer is real for you. And Ram is not a mere character in a story for them
As for Hinduism, spiritualism and all that BS, the rampant injustice in the world and the unceasing triumph of evil over good has made us extremely cynical of all things godly.
Like Silas Marner, we’ve now lost all faith in God and Man.
No, we don’t believe in all that drivel about the afterlife. So please don’t start on that now.
There’s only one life and that’s the here and now.